Reading 5618-11

TEXT OF READING 5618-11 M 60

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Date: 9/5/1927 Sex: M Age: 60 ReadingID: 13971

This Psychic Reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 115 West 35th Street, Virginia Beach, Va., this 5th day of September, 1927, in accordance with request made by Morton Blumenthal and Hugh Lynn Cayce.

[Edgar Cayce; Morton Blumenthal, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Mrs. Edgar Cayce, Mrs. T. B. House, Mrs. Morton Blumenthal, Mr. L. B. Cayce, and Hugh Lynn Cayce.]

Time of Reading 3:40 P. M. Eastern Standard Time. Murray, Kentucky.

1. MB: Now you will have before you [5618] of …, Kentucky, and his association with this organization, the Association of National Investigators, and answer this question: Will there be any difficulty in [5618] obtaining his registration in the State of Virginia under the State Medical Board, and are his credentials properly in shape? Give any further advice that will aid [5618] in preparing himself for the interview with the State Board and in beginning the work with the hospital of the Association of National Investigators.

2. EC: Yes, we have the body and those associations, and contemplated associations, with the organization known as the Association of National Investigators. Also that condition as regarding [5618] meeting with the State Board and registration for same to practice in state of Virginia.

3. Those credentials as have been prepared will be acceptable to the State Board, and it will only be necessary, under existent conditions, for [5618] to present himself at the time as will be specified by secretary of health and of the State Board to meet with same. Only two to three questions will be asked. All the credentials - and many other letters may be presented with credentials - these will all be acceptable to the State Board. Only present same and these credentials will prove satisfactory, and no trouble will be experienced with the State Board of Health by this doctor as is seen here. No further suggestions, then, as to that necessary regarding the Health or the State Board of the medical association.

4. As to the relations with the Association, the sooner the doctor is on the grounds, the better will be the conditions for the Association and for the doctor’s connection with same - for the doctor should be a bonified resident of the county and the state BEFORE he begins the work or association with the hospital or institution, a member of the State Medical Society, a member of the County Medical Society, both of the Norfolk and Princess Anne medical societies, or this will give the greater prestige to the work as will be carried forward with the Association, see?

5. (Q) When should the doctor come to Virginia Beach permanently? (A) As soon as the notification is given, or in or about December the 9th, the doctor will meet with the Board. Then he should establish residence immediately following same in the state and in the county in which he expects to practice.

6. That is all the questions on this reading.

7. But there is much that may be given as respecting the association of the physician with the institutional work. Much work is to be accomplished and is to be done by the doctor, for the institution, as it is contemplated being builded, must receive recognition from the county, from the counties, and from the state. These may and may not be unless the physician that is to be in charge is a resident of the state before the institutional is opened. Hence we see the necessity of that connection with the county, counties, the state, before application for charter to the institution as a hospital is made to the state medical authorities, or health commission, see? for this must be done before the institution is opened, and the necessary recognition received by physician in charge.

8. (Q) Will there be any trouble in getting that charter and recognition? (A) None, with the physician a resident of the state, a member of the state medical society, a member of the county and counties’ medical societies, and a recognized resident of same.

9. (Q) How long does it take to establish a residence of the character here spoken of? (A) With the recognition of the credentials presented, the physician only establishes residence by living there. That begins from the time of the abode taken up.

10. (Q) The memberships to these societies, then, is only a matter of his own application? (A) Only a matter of his own application, after recognition by the State Society, State Medical Board - for with this recognition by the State Medical Board, with the membership already in the national or the American Medical Association, with the membership in the state in which he now practices, these are recognizable, and will be recognized by the state. The county must recognize the state’s authority. The counties are glad to have such memberships that show that there is to be work carried on by a bonafide physician in good standing with the state and counties, see? The only application, then, is to the State Board of Health, after the recognition by the State Medical Association.

11. (Q) Should the doctor make this application to the State Board of Health for his charter for the hospital? (A) After becoming a member of the State Medical Society, and a resident of the county, and a member of the County Medical Societies. Hence, immediately after being recognized in the state, take up residence there and make application for membership in the county medical societies. Two counties, see, comprise the association of the physician with such an institution - Norfolk and Princess Anne, as given, see?

12. (Q) Any doctors here in Virginia Beach or Norfolk, or vicinity, that could or would associate with the doctor - [6/4/27 See 254-35, Par. 17-A—20-A recommending Dr. Emerson Land to assist.] (A) ANY will associate with the doctor when the credentials are recognized. No necessity of association with any until such recognized. THEN the physician may associate with any he sees fit. Many would be suggested - such as Leigh [Southgate Leigh], Old [Levi Old], Clarion [?] Davis, Woodhouse [Robert W. Woodhouse], Land [Emerson Land], any of these.

13. (Q) Any further advice to [5618] in this matter? (A) Send in the papers! Get busy if he wants the position!

14. That is all the questions to this reading.

15. We are through with this reading for the present.

Reports

Reports & Follow-up

R1. 11/10/27 Thursday, EC’s letter to Dr. [5618]:

Dear Dr. [5618]:-

I have yours of the 4th. I have thought every day for the last six or eight weeks that I would drop you a line, but have simply put it off from time to time, hoping to have something more definite to say - so have let it go by telling [1005] to tell you this, that or the other that had happened. I suppose as it draws near to the first of December you feel a little bit anxious concerning the outcome of your application to the State Board. Somehow, I don’t think you need have any fear whatever. [1005] told you, I am sure, of the conversation I had with Dr. Olds, I believe it was. Anyway, he is a member of the Examining Board. He was here at the Beach as a special representative of an insurance company who was considering a policy on my life. Naturally he asked a great deal concerning the work - had considerable to say concerning the Board’s attitude toward work of this nature, but he assured me this: That, in so far as this was being gone about in a thoroughly scientific manner, we might expect the wholehearted cooperation of the Medical Board of the State of Virginia, and that anyone who presented their credentials from having practised Materia Medica in the state of Kentucky or Tennessee for five years, would have no trouble whatsoever of being passed by the Virginia Board. He said we were quite right in having a man that was a member of the American Medical, for while that membership did not make a man any the more competent, it did give a man a STANDING that could not be surpassed by scarcely any other qualifications. Insomuch as he passed me for the insurance, I don’t think we need have any fear on the other score.

Now, regarding what has been done about the site and the building, as you possibly know, the Association purchased half a block of the site which you saw, I believe, when you were here. So we will have ample room for expansion. Plans, specifications and bids have been made on the building. [900] was here last Sunday. We were working out a plan for the financing of the erection of the building and the furnishing and equipping of same. This plan I think has been worked out, just a little bit of the detail is to be taken care of. We can get the loan on the property sufficient to build and equip the institution. The actual work I think will be begun by the first of December. [195] will be here about that time also. As yet I have not been able to get the wholehearted cooperation in Chicago I had desired, but I expect to go there next week personally and see if I can get this in shape. I know it will take some hard work - we will have some hindrances to overcome - some hard knocks to meet; yet anything that is worth while is worth while working for, and I feel sure that the early spring will see our building all in shape ready for you to take hold. As the reading gave, after your qualifying in the State, it will be necessary for you to be on the grounds for some months, making your connections with the State and County Societies, and getting things in shape in a general way, and it’ll just about give you time to do that in the next two or three months.

It certainly has been a pleasure for all of us to have [1005] here with us. Of course he’s just as one of the family. He has been very attentive to his school work and has gotten exceedingly good marks - has been on the improve all along - takes a great deal of interest, of course, in football - but doesn’t let it interfere with this studies. This, of course, at times makes us feel a bit uneasy, but he has been trained to take good care of himself and seemingly does.

From the letters from home it seems like they all keep under the weather. I don’t know what to say on that score. I don’t know how they’ll get along there, and I don’t reckon its possible to root them up and move them away at this time of their life. Possibly it would be the wrong thing if we could. I don’t know what to say - though I know, of course, none of us can lay aside everything when we come to consider the work that’s got to be done.

Just when does the Board meet? Won’t you come on here before you go to Richmond? or will you come here from Richmond?

Let us hear from you whenever you have the chance. All are pretty well here. Hope you are feeling fine. With love from all,

Sincerely, EC:GD

R2. 11/19/27 [5618]‘s letter to EC:

THE MCDANIEL HOUSE (Letterhead) Murray, Ky.

Dear Edgar,

I just have time for a note to let you know that I will be in Richmond Va. on Dec. 6th at the Murphy Hotel, to meet the Board, and will come from there at that time, on to the Beach for a few days. I don’t know what the Board will do. However can only wait and see. I am quite busy at Murray and have all the work that I can do. Hoping to see you all real soon and that ALL IS WELL.

I am as ever. [signed] [5618]

R3. 1/20/28 [5618]‘s letter to EC:

Murray, Ky.

Dear Edgar:-

I thought every day that I would write you but just have not, have been real busy most of the time since Xmas. Well I went through all right. Am ready to shoot any time so let me know what you all are doing up there. Write me at once as I don’t want to turn loose here till I know what I am doing there. So you see I will have to be moved up here first. So please write me just what has been done. With kindest regards to all and love to [1005].

I am ever [5618]

R4. GD’s note: Dr. [5618] moved to Virginia Beach with his family in the Spring of 1928 and set up practice, becoming the House Physician for Cayce Hospital when it opened in in the fall of 1928.

R5. See Source File Key #5618 for newspaper article appearing in THE BEACON, Sunday, June 25, 1972 entitled “The Old Days Had Box Cars for Jails” re 5618-11.

Background

Background

B1. 8/25/26 See 254-31 re his being the doctor to apply the readings.

B2. 10/9/26 See 900-272, Par. 5-A re his taking charge of Cayce Hospital.

B3. 10/12/26 EC’s letter to [5618]:

Dear Doc:-

[900] was here Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Of course, we had many things to talk about, and of course his full line of readings were taken. The enclosed, I think, will be very interesting to you. Let me know what you think of it.

[900] is still just as enthusiastic as ever, and just as anxious to get started with the work. He wants to be back again in December, when you get your papers all fixed up, and make the arrangements about the actual beginning of operations. Among others things, there was of course something said about the remuneration to you for your services. His idea and offer, as he said, would be the guarantee of the three thousand dollars a year to begin with. Would you consider that? He was quite anxious to know if you would certainly be on hand and be ready to go. It seems he has gotten at least a couple of people interested, and be interested enough to promise to contribute about five thousand dollars apiece to funds to begin with. He, of course, is anxious that I make the Florida trip, as his idea is to raise sufficient funds so that the INCOME from same will take care of the institution, though of course what we may be able to get in contributions from time to time would be used for the development of the institution. He seems to think now that we can have at least a hundred thousand dollars to begin with by the first of the year, using ten to twelve to equip the first unit of the work and invest the rest of it for the upkeep of the institution. All sounds good - it seems to me but I think he has gotten enough of very encouraging support from some of his friends and associates recently, and it makes him very much more optimistic than he has even been heretofore.

Our last report from [953] was rather encouraging. He assured me of his whole hearted support towards all of our undertakings, and also assured me that he had gained sufficient support from his associates to insure the completion of their well operations. So that looks good to me!

I haven’t heard any more from the people in Florida. I told you, I believe, that I had the letter from [943], saying he wanted me to come down as soon as they could get straightened out. They expected to rebuild the derrick and go on with their operations.

I hope that you got to see [167], and that you will follow out any developments there might possibly be with the application of the appliance.

Be sure and let us hear from you, as you know that your getting settled seems to be the key of the whole situation at the present time. All are pretty well here. With love to all from all, Edgar Cayce

B4. 11/23/26 EC’s letter to Dr. [5618]:

Dr. [5618] …, Ky.

Dear Doc:-

I have yours of the 12th. I certainly am in hopes that you have gone in and seen Uncle [244] and his wife [3773] before this, if you haven’t seen any of the others, for he has been waiting on you, and I don’t think will go to anyone else until he hears something from you. Please go in to see him and talk with him anyway. I made it very pointed with him, and asked him that he see you, for you could tell him concerning the medicinal properties as were given, and write the prescription for him, as well as give both of them the osteopathic treatments that are necessary in both cases. This will give you a hold, I am sure, and he’s plenty able to pay for it - and expects to pay for it, and I hope you’ll attend to it. And even if you had to register as the osteopath, I don’t know whether you have to or not - I don’t know anything about that, why it would pay you to do it, even for these two cases for three or four months, and I know it’ll take that long. Be sure and let me know about this right away, for I have had a letter from him asking me what he must do, and I’m writing to you of course before I say anything more to him, but will tell him that he should phone you or get in touch with you as soon as he can.

Now, about the other part, I don’t know what to say. I don’t think I have had anything that I have been as much disappointed about in a long, long time. I didn’t feel like that it was going to be any trouble by your going and seeing these people and getting your papers fixed up, for while it might be necessary for you to go before the Board, the examination would only be (if there were any) such as the doctor here in Norfolk told you, and I had the letter from the people in Florida, wanting us to come down there. They wanted you to come also, and I’m sure we’d get enough of money out of that to take care of all the expense of registering as well as getting moved and fixed up and arranged here, and I can’t help but feel that by the first of the year we’ll have something to start with. They are continuing to drop in, a little here and there, and its making a little start that is something to count on, for with cash in hand we can do something. Of course it may be possible that we can get some other man - probably will - be that we can get a doctor in New York, or one here in Norfolk, or perhaps one even here in the county that would head the work - but that would mean that they would get the biggest share of the money - you do the work and play second fiddle, and it certainly is not the way it should be. Now if we could get the fellow outside the state and let him be head in name only, of course we might make it different. I have a man in mind - don’t know his name right now, but if I go to Florida I’ll see him on the way either going or coming - lives in Atlanta. He’s an army man, licensed in every state in the union except Florida, and in England, France, Italy, China and Japan - already registered in all those places. Possibly we might be able to interest him, but I am of the opinion he would want to be in actual charge and is the kind of fellow that would want whatever money that’s coming out of it - but I’m just hoping that you can reconsider this thing, that we can yet get the thing all straightened up. But if you are going to do it, of course you’d have to do it by the 7th of December, wouldn’t you? See if you can’t. I’ll arrange to get the registration fee and fare if you want it.

The [167]‘s wrote for their second reading - said they were getting some results, or at least she was easier, able to sleep and of course some stronger. I told them to have you make an examination and make out a list of questions to be asked at the next reading. Did they every call you any more? If they did, I wish you’d please see about it. I’d like to do something for that woman if possible.

I’m sure they’ve told you about Edgar Evans’ accident. He seems to be getting along pretty well. Naturally its been pretty severe on him, for one of his temperament.

We are expecting Hugh Lynn for Thanksgiving. That of course is about the brightest thing that we’ve had to think of for some time.

[953] reports they are getting in shape now to finish up their well. Peters & [943] have their well ready to begin operations again. They are in Bimini looking for that treasure now, and they wanted me to come down as soon as they came back. They wanted us, and of course that included you, to spend at least two or three weeks or a month there - as their guests - of course they taking care of all expense and paying us all besides.

[195] is getting along fine. He’s writing an article, as well as ready to contribute whatever is necessary to make the first start - that is, he’ll equip the place for temporary quarters. [900] is as enthusiastic as ever, but I haven’t had the heart to tell him yet that there’s a possibility of not getting you.

All the rest are fairly well here. Give our love to all, and let me hear from you right away.

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce EC:GD

B5. 4/20/27 EC’s letter to [5618]:

Dear Doc:-

Yours of the 7th received some days ago, and I told Miss Gladys to write you a note that I would write you as soon as I had the opportunity. We sent the ointment, and I’m in hopes that you have received same before this, and are finding this as effective as it has proven in practically every case where it has been tried out, or has been given an opportunity to show just what it would do. I’ll be quite anxious to know what your experience with same is. Of course there is no charge for same.

Well, the papers for our charter and license will be filed this week. Crocker is preparing them at the present time, and they will be sent to the state authorities to be acted upon now very shortly. Of course, as you know, no physician in Virginia will be able to qualify until the first of June, but we are hoping to get things in shape to be ready to begin by that time. We want to commence making whatever place we choose ready for our work and hope to start on same by the first of the month. We haven’t decided just yet which place it will be. Van Patten is one of the vice-presidents, or trustees. Gertrude and myself are the other two in the county signing the petition. It is necessary, as you know, to have three from the county in which application of such charter is made.

Now, I want to ask you about something else. You remember [2809], [635]‘s husband, that used to be in the Woolen Mills there in Hopkinsville. He’s here, and they’re considering making this their home. He is considering at the present time opening a drug store. Necessarily, he will need a prescriptionist. Do you know what is the regular routine for a registered pharmacist in Virginia? Would you want to consider same with your association with the institution? You might be able to make it so that you would have a salary from each one, if you would care to consider it. I’m anxious to know what you think of this.

Let me hear from you right away. To be sure, this is all tentative, but it is certainly working into concrete form very fast, and somebody is going to take hold of the work. You know that it is MOST necessary that we have you if possible.

Glad to say we are all fairly well here. Nothing particularly new. Hope to hear from you again real soon. With kindest personal regards from all.

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce EC:GD

B6. 4/28/27 EC’s letter to [5618]:

Dear Dr. [5618]:-

I was certainly very glad to have yours of the 24th, and to know that you are getting some results with the ointment you’re trying out. If there are any suggestions you have to make regarding same after you try it, we shall certainly be glad to have them. I’m certainly very much in hopes that before many moons we will be so situated that you will have the opportunity to try out many of these things that may have been or may be suggested, and where you can ask questions respecting them as conditions develop - for our papers were all filed with the commission last Monday, and if the charter is granted we hope to get to work on same in next few months at the outside.

I was of the opinion that druggist work would be rather heavy, but we certainly do hope to have you associated with the institution, so that we may have a pretty clean record of what is attempted and the results as they are obtained. I’ll let you know more about this as things develop.

I’m glad to say we are all fairly well here, and hope you’ll let us hear from you whenever you have the opportunity.

With kindest personal regards and best wishes from all,

Ever the same,

B7. 6/4/27 See 254-35, Par. 17-A—20-A.

Mentioned Entities

A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment), Morton Blumenthal, Florida, Virginia Beach, Hugh Lynn Cayce, Kentucky, Cayce Hospital, Gladys Davis, Osteopathy, Bimini, Chicago, China, Edgar Evans Cayce, England, France, Gertrude Cayce, Hopkinsville, Japan, New York City

Source: The Complete Edgar Cayce Readings, A.R.E. CD-ROM (2006). Reading 5618-11, ReadingID 13971.