Reading 4906-5

TEXT OF READING 4906-5

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Date: 1/22/1924 Sex: M ReadingID: 13000

This Psychic Reading given by Edgar Cayce at Phillips Hotel, Room 115, Dayton, Ohio, this 22nd day of January 1924, in accordance with request made by Mr. [4906].

[Edgar Cayce; Linden Shroyer, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno.]

Section 8, Township 14 North, Time of Reading Range 14 E. in 3:00 P. M. Okmulgee County, Oklahoma.

1. LS: Now, you have before you the lands located in Section 8, Township 14 North, Range 14 East in Okmulgee County, located about seven miles North of the town of Morris, and is in the section East of the one on which you have just given a reading [See 4906-4].

2. EC: This, we find, is an extension of the same pools that will be encountered in seven, though in this the structural conditions and the handling of the oil and quantity will be increased. Not the heavy, or as heavy pressure in gas, but sufficient to make this a productive proposition in this field. Do not get too far North or over the north side of anti-cline, else the structural forces, through which drilling would be necessary, would cause some trouble in drilling. These, we see, will be encountered with the greater depth and in heavier sands than that to the West. Drill this. We will find we will produce thousands of barrels of oil of high grade from this territory.

3. We are through.

Reports

Reports & Follow-up

R1. 1/22/24 EC wired Mr. [4906] to accept the proposition, as well as that outlined in 4906-4.

R2. 1/23/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio

Dear Mr. [4906]:-

Will now try and reply to yours of the 17th. The readings [4906-4 and 4906-5], as you know, were mailed you yesterday afternoon. I am in hopes you will find in these information that is satisfactory, and that will really prove of worth to you. They are not, perhaps, as full and complete as you would like them, but with a specific location will be glad if you will make a list of questions from time to time, and we will try and check up on them and let you check up on the same way. It is certainly much more satisfactory to have the plots as were given the last time, and I am in hopes that they will prove of real worth. Am in hopes you’ll be able to make the trade with Mr. Johnston, and that you can complete the operations to your satisfaction.

Now, in regards to the other matter, I fully agree with you, and think that you are correct, but I believe that you misconstrued my meaning, as we sometimes do in letters, for it’s quite often impossible to get just the idea in black and white that is meant by the one writing, and if I could have talked the matter over with you, you would get my meaning. Perhaps, I’ll have to go into a little bit of detail, while I understand this is none of your affair, and perhaps is something of what you felt when you were here. As perhaps you know, I came to Dayton to start this work in some definite way. I was out of funds at the time, though was in a position that had I held on to my little business that I might have been able to have gotten along alright, yet I’m sure I would have never made the contacts that I have, especially with yourself, and if it has taken all of this to have made these then I’m sure it is worth it, but I had been promised [by Arthur H. Lammers?] that matters would be taken care of until I was set in some shape. This has not been done, and I am relying entirely upon the goodness of those whom I give the work for for their donations for the work, and it was under this stress of conditions, and of positions, that I made this as a suggestion. However, I am sure that you are entirely right in the way and manner you have stated in your letter. Now, if it would suit your convenience at this time to assist me in the way of a loan until matters are adjusted, and that you can determine as to the value of these, why it will certainly be very much appreciated, and whatever way that you should deem best that I arrange it will be glad to do that. Don’t misunderstand me, but you know the stress of things when one’s family and conditions are pressing.

I assure you your letters are never too long, and I appreciate every one of them that I get. Hoping that the information as given will prove satisfactory, and that you will not hesitate to call on me at any time that I can possibly be of assistance, trusting that you’ll let me hear from you real son, and with kindest personal regards,

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce

R3. 1/25/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio

Mr. [4906], …, Okla.

Dear Mr. [4906]:-

Just a line today to call your attention to a matter, in which I am in hopes you will be interested. While it is not my purpose in this to make you a clearing house for conditions that may arise through persons that I may hear from, from your city [See also [4837], [3767], etc.], but this lady informed us that she was in your office, and as this is quite a different character of reading from most of them that we get I have asked that she consult with you in reference to this, for I felt you would be able to give her a little explanation as to just what is meant in the reading as given. We have had quite a number of inquiries, and have given several readings for various people in Okmulgee, some perhaps that you know of. Many, no doubt, that you have never heard of. I am in hopes we have been of benefit. Thus far, we have heard nothing from any of them after trying out, even whether they suited the case or not, or whether they expected to contribute to our needs, but I’m in hopes that we have been of some service.

Thanking you for this, hoping you will find the opportunity to be of assistance to Mrs. [Aunt] in getting the proper things together for this boy [4502], with all good wishes, I am

Yours sincerely, Edgar Cayce

R4. 2/8/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio Dear Mr. [4906]:-

I have your wire of January 29th, for which I thank you very much, and have been anxiously expecting to hear from you any day to know how you are progressing with the operations. Trust the weather is not interfering with you in any way.

Also received a day or two ago the return on the draft for a hundred dollars, for which I wish to thank you very, very much. I’m glad to say that we are all fairly well. I’m in hopes you will let us hear from you from time to time. Remember I’m always willing to help if it is possible.

Again thanking you, I beg to be

Yours very truly, Edgar Cayce

R5. 2/16/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio

Dear Mr. [4906]:-

Pardon me for addressing you again before hearing from you, but since Tuesday have been expecting to hear from you, for when I came to the office Tuesday morning had notice that you were trying to get me on the phone. I reported that I was ready to talk whenever they could get connection. That night I was informed by the telephone company that the call was cancelled, as wire was being sent. Naturally, I’ve been wondering what was the condition and if I could have been of help, so would like to hear whenever you have the chance to drop me a line.

Trusting that things are going well with you, and that I may hear from you real soon,

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce

R6. 2/24/24 [4906]‘s ltr. to EC:

…, Oklahoma

Mr. Edgar Cayce, Dayton, Ohio

Dear Mr. Cayce:-

I suppose you think I have run off or got lost for I have been so slow in writing you, but I want to assure you that I have done neither, simply been hard at work day and night for the last month. I got in home late yesterday evening from Maud, Oklahoma, where I have been since last Monday, trying to straighten out our deal on the Remus block of acreage in 24-8-4, on which I have your report. Now I find this block in a terrible shape, that is the four hundred acres on which the well is located has an aggregate sum of mortgages totalling about 18,000.00, this being a blanket mortgage, and two of these mortgages are now in this shape. That is that the holders have already instigated foreclosure proceedings, this making it very difficult to handle. However, the loan companies and the mortgage holders are all willing to waiver as far as an oil lease to me is concerned, for my reputation for putting down wells assures them that the test will be fully completed and I have been assured that my attorney can obtain all these waivers in writing in the next few days. Now Mr. Heiden, of the Maud Oil Products Co., who gathered together this block of acreage is in the worst shape financially, I believe, of any man I ever saw, and we had to loan him 6,000.00 to hold the proposition together until it could be gotten in the proper shape. Now I do not know exactly yet just what my deal with him will be, for it depends wholly as to what I will receive for drilling the well upon this fact, whether or not that the old hole, which is 920 feet can be used or not. It is barely possible that we will have to move the rig and drill a new hole. If this is done, I am reserving the right to move the rig anywhere upon the block of acreage that I am to receive for drilling this well. This is the exact status of the Maud proposition.

Now the well in Section Seven, we have had splendid luck on it up until three weeks ago, at which time we shut down on account of the title on the 160 acres on which I am drilling. I sold the south eighty of the 160 acres on which I am drilling. I sold the south eighty of the 160 to James G. Lyons, an Okmulgee operator, and his attorneys in examining the title made this requirement that we should obtain a quit-claim deed from Harry Brown, Creek Indian, who was the original allottee of this 160 acres. This land, however, had been sold and the title held by five Oklahoma land buyers, and there was a loan made by a big loan company for $2,700.00 on this 160 acres, and I suppose from this that the title should be alright, but Mr. Lyons’ attorney requested we should get this quit-claim deed from the allottee before he would pay out on the 80 acres which I sold him. Now I have hunted all over Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri for this Harry Brown, costing me nearly a thousand dollars for travelling expenses for my men. He was reported to be in Springfield, Kansas City, Sedalia, St. Joe, Des Moines and Joplin, all these places we went in search of him, but had to give it up. We were on his trail and heard in all these places several months before. Now this Harry Brown is a one-eight Creek Indian and the other part negro [GD’s note: Perhaps a bearing on statement in 4908-7, Par. 10 re. mixed race?] and seems to be of the underworld type, or at least he has the reputation of being a dope peddler and bootlegger and is known to always be hiding from the law. He may have thought my men were officers that were after him, at any rate, we could not find him, and it was on this question that I placed a long distance call to you, but after thinking it over did not know whether you would consider that I should ask you to answer such questions or not. At any rate, I cancelled my call and decided to work the proposition out myself. I have finally gotten Lyons’ attorney to accept the title upon six affidavits of nearby residents of the land in question stating that harry Brown and his various common law wives at no time ever claimed this land or any portion thereof as a homestead. This fixes it up temporarily, and I am starting up the well tonight which is now 1919 feet deep. It should not take us longer than ten or twelve days to finish this hole. Nevertheless, if this Harry Brown is alive, we should have this quit-claim deed for it is the only thing that will make our title perfect. Now it may be that you can tell me where this man is, or whether he is dead or not. If you see fit to do this, and it is the proper thing to do, please wire me what you find out. I am sending you the record of this hole up to this depth. All happenings in this hole have been in accordance with your readings this far. I have carefully checked same.

We shut down last night in Section Eight, at a little over 1500 feet, being Sunday. Will start again tonight at midnight. It should not take more than two weeks to complete this well. I do not anticipate any further shutdowns on either Seven or Eight, as Eight title is perfect so far as I know, and I have plenty of Casing for both holes.

Now, Cayce, just after starting the well in Section Seven, Fourteen, Fourteen, I made out your assignment for a one- sixteenth interest, which is one-eight of my half. Now the holders in this lease as show of record are as follows: McBrayer & McCarty, owners of original lese, T. A. Johnston & Co., 3/16ths; furnishers of rig and pipe: Edgar Cayce 1/16; [4906] 1/2, and I am paying all the bills. Now I sent your assignment over to be filed for record and it was filed but the paper will not be returned for weeks from the recorders office for they are awfully behind in copying the instruments that are sent there for record, so I am sending you my carbon copy of your original assignment which is on record in Okmulgee County as to your interest in Section Seven. Now I am not going to record your assignment in Section Eight, but am sending it to you, so you can mail it for filing yourself to the county clerk. This delay in getting back from the recorder’s office has caused this delay in my sending these assignments as I wanted to send both of them together.

Now, Cayce, I believe this explains everything fully that you wish to know. You must be patient when I don’t write for there are days and weeks that I do not get to my office as I put my own personal attention on each of these wells and have to be there personally to keep these wells going, but you will find that I am toting on the level at all times.

The lease holders of record in Section 8-14-14

Okmulgee Development Co., 8/32 Emery Locke 1/32 T. A. Johnston & Co., 8/32 Edgar Cayce 2/32 [4906] 13/32

now in this lease, I gave you a little more than an eight because I have not a full half, but this is alright. Now, all this is on record excepting your assignment, which you will mail to the County clerk to be filed yourself. Now, all wells in the future I will send your assignments as soon as I make the deal, and you can have them recorded yourself, for if I record them, it looks like it takes so long to get the papers back to my office that you may think that I do not want to give you your interest. I believe this makes this point clear.

Now, Cayce, in your letter, you make them very short and to the point, just little notes that refer to our business. Now why don’t you sit down and write me a real letter. There are lots of things going on back there that you would like to tell me and well do I know it. I know if I had an hour’s conversation with you that you would tell me how you are coming along financially. If you see fit to tell me about the way things are going, do so, because I would like to know. I am not going to ask just now for any more readings on oil lands, but am going to test out these three wells - that is Section Seven, Section Eight and the Maud Well.

Well, this is Sunday afternoon and I have been away nearly all the time in the past month and my family, I suppose, thinks I care very little for them, so I am going to quit writing for this time and go home and spend the rest of the day with the wife and babies. Let me hear from you.

Thanking you very kindly for the great favors you have already shown me, and trusting that our new adventures will turn out better than you expect, and with kindest regards to you and your family.

Respectfully yours

P.S. Keep copy of assignment of Section Seven. Send Original assignment on Section Eight to be recorded. Am Sending Records of both holes. You may keep same for your information. Will send balance of records when wells are completed.

Your assignment will be forthcoming on the Maud well when we finally determine just what the deal will be.

R7. 2/29/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio

Mr. [4906] …, Okla.

My dear Mr. [4906]:-

I have yours of February 24th, with enclosure of assignments. Also the one of the 25th with recorded assignment. I am today mailing to the County Clerk the other assignment for record. I do not know what the recorder’s fee, consequently am asking him to let me know. Would you mind letting me know what is the usual fee?

I thank you very much for your explanation of the condition in Maud, Oklahoma, and I should like very much to be of assistance in locating Harry Brown if it was possible, but such things are out of my line. I’m very much in hopes you will be able to get this all straightened out very soon. I trust you do not feel that I was impatient in writing and wiring you so much. Naturally, though, my position and condition makes one feel rather anxious about every condition where the work is really interested [involved?]. I’M in hopes it will not be very long. Yes, I feel very confident it will not be so long before you will have both of these wells producing. I’m certainly pleased to know you’ve had so much good luck in the drilling operations, but I understand what it means for one to be right on the job all the time, and as to how much difference it makes when one is on the job. I certainly thank you very much for going into detailed information regarding both of these propositions, and you know that I’m going to leave the whole thing in your hands to handle, to do with as you see fit. If it were possible I would like very much to be on the grounds when these wells come in, or as soon thereafter as possible. However, I fear this will be out of the question, under the present financial condition, but there area a great many people in Okmulgee that I have given work for. Just how or why these requests have come we rarely ever know, but every few days there is another on. Naturally, I’m very much interested in all of these people, and wonder what the results are. Know they must be satisfactory in many cases, or we would not keep on hearing from people there. I have refrained Mr. [4906] from going into my personal conditions and financial position, for fear of burdening you with something that I doubt as to whether that you should be burdened with, for we have gone into this work in a business sort of way, and I do not like to have you feel that I am burdening you with my own daily needs. Sufficient is it for me to say that the draft which you so kindly honored was certainly a good angel to me. In fact I do not know just what I would have done without it at the time. The associations here, or as promised me when I came here, have not materialized at all. No part of them. Consequently, it has left me wholly dependent upon the returns from the work done. Being in a new place, no way of advertising, not sufficient capital to do so, neither sufficient capital to take care of the daily needs, it has made it very embarrassing to me, so I am asking as soon as it is possible, not to jeopardize any other interest, but as soon as it is practical for you to realize something for me in cash, out of any of the interests that we have together, that you will do this for me, that I may be able to get in condition to take care of the very pressing needs at the present time. Of course, you understand I do [not?] wish to jeopardize any interests at any time, nor is it any lack of faith in the ultimate success of any operations that are honestly and faithfully carried to culmination through the readings, but the pressing needs of the physical man and those dependent upon me and the work that causes me even to request this of you. It was certainly kind and generous of you to make the offer as you did, and to make the loan as you did. I do not doubt that you could read between the lines that everything was not just as it might be with me, but as I said before I did not want to jeopardize your good opinion of me, which I hope that you have, by complaining or going into detail of the present financial straits that I am in, but knowing and feeling if this work is all that we hope that it is there will be some way provided, for every condition to be taken care of, if we are doing the right thing by our fellow man from day to day. No matter how many trials and disappointments that may come up, truth will rise and conquer in the end. I know how much it means for you to be away from your family, and how hard the work and strain on a fellow is trying to get titles clear. I have certainly been through some of these conditions myself. I certainly appreciate your letter and your taking the time to write me, but it did me good to know that you felt like that you should give some of the time to your wife and little ones. I’m enclosing you the copy of the assignment that you sent me, as I now have the one that is made a matter of record. You perhaps will want to keep this in your files. Trusting you will let me hear from you whenever you have the time. I will write you every chance, whether I hear or not, if there is anything that comes up that I think I could communicate with you regarding. Trusting this finds you well and everything going fine and dandy in both propositions, and the Maud proposition adjusting itself in a way quite satisfactory. Know at any tie that I can possibly be of service don’t hesitate to call on me.

With kindest personal regards,

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce

R8. 3/14/24 EC’s ltr. to [4906]:

P.O. Box 463, Dayton, Ohio

Mr. [4906], …, Okla.

Dear Mr. [4906]:-

Just a line to let you hear from me, and to let you know that we are for you, believing in you, trusting you, and hope that you are not very far from the “Golden Juice”, and that you are going to let us hear from you in the next few days. We are certainly anxious to hear the good news, we are needing it, and are hoping to hear from you most any hour now.

Know you are very busy, and haven’t time for letter writing, but drop us a line whenever you have the opportunity.

With kindest personal regards,

Sincerely, Edgar Cayce

R9. 3/14/24 [4906]‘s ltr. to EC:

…, Oklahoma

Mr. Edgar Cayce, Dayton, Ohio

Dear Cayce:-

Just a little note to let you know I am still hitting the ball on our two wells in 14-14. I am drilling tonight at a depth of 2710 in Section 7. I will run my 5-3/16 inch pipe at 2770 looking for that famous depth of 2780. This pipe will shut off all water and caves, thus if we get a well at 2780 feet we will be in shape to handle the production nicely. Things are very quiet around this well, as we got a hole full of water at 2630 in the Wilcox sand, which from a practical oil man’s standpoint is the last chance so far as a test at this location is concerned, and none of them quite understands why I am drilling deeper, and they do not value my chances worth anything, consequently when my contract was completed to the Wilcox sand they did not want to put up any money for going deeper and when I asked them for a donation, or to pay their parts respectively, they all refused to stay in, but assigned me the leases, so it leaves it up to me to finance the going on down with the exception of the little help that I am obtaining from the companies that I sold the offsets to and you can see by this that I have enlarged my holdings in this lease by having the knowledge that you gave to me and I am this day making you out an assignment for an additional one-sixteenth interest into the N 1/2 of SE 1/4 of Section 7-14-14. We do not happen to have a blank assignment in the office here tonight, but you can sure depend upon getting it and I will have it made out and sent tomorrow, or if anything should happen to me, you can use this letter in evidence.

I am shut down in Section 8-14-14 at a depth of 1900 feet. I have been unable to realize scarcely anything from the sale of acreage around this hole and am carrying a tremendous load on these two wells. There simply is no chance to sell anything around them after getting the water in Section 7, so I am determined to drill them both by myself to a depth of your report. I will start up 8 again as soon as I hit the sand in Section 7, using the same men in Section 8. The crew I had in Section 8 got a bad hole and I had to fire the whole works, but I was able to straighten it and have it in fine shape now ready to go deeper. There is nothing new on the Maud deal, just simply standing as I explained before.

I enjoyed your last letter very much, but was sorry to hear that things were breaking so bad for you. I am not surprised at you not receiving any help as you had expected from the party that I met while in Dayton [Arthur H. Lammers]. I felt that this was the way that things would turn out when I first met that fellow. I wish that I was in a position that I could extend you some credit myself, but financially I am cramped almost beyond operating. I suppose I owe more money than any young man my age in Oklahoma. My books showed January 1, 1924 a debt of over 120,000.00, so you see that it keeps me plodding every day to pay the interest and keep everyone satisfied. You must not mention the small favor that I did for you, for I was only too glad to do it, and would do lots more if I was in a position that I could. By the way, what ever became of [257]. Cayce, I loaned this fellow 200.00, which he was going to pay me as soon as he could sell some furniture at Altoona. Now I have not heard from him and do not know here he is. If it was possible to collect this money, I would be glad to let you have it, and you could reimburse me when you were able, and if that time never came, all good and well.

Well, I will not write more tonight for I am tired. Have been running tower myself. I have several other propositions that I will be sending you real shortly to report on. I cannot but hope that this year will bring you and I both great success. It seems that hard work agrees with me, for I weighed over at the supply store the other morning and I tipped the scales at 231 lbs. Some Driller, if size counts for anything.

With kindest personal regards to you and your family, and trusting that we may get a nice well, I remain as ever

Yours truly,

[GD’s note: EC did not receive above letter until after the wires back and forth on 3/18—19/24 and the 3/19/24 reading 4906-6. See 4906-6, Par. R2.]

R10. 3/18/24 Wire:

1 EXTRA RUSH CA255 55 OKMULGEE OKLA 18 717P

EDGAR CAYCE CARE PHILLIPS HOTEL ROOM ONE FIFTEEN DAYTON OHIO

WELL IN SECTION SEVEN TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO FEET DEEP AM DRILLING WITH HOLE FULL OF WATER HAD PLANNED ON RUNNING FIVE INCH CASING AT TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY FEET BUT AM IN SAND NOW LOOKS LIKE WATER SAND WIRE ME TONIGHT IF I SHOULD RUN CASING AT THIS DEPTH

R11. 3/19/24 See 4906-6.

R12. 3/19/24 Wire:

Mr. [4906] …, Oklahoma

Wire delayed. Set casing first lime two thousand seven hundred seventy-eight, ground measurement. Then drill in. Full information by mail, special delivery.

EDGAR CAYCE COLLECT

Background

Background

B1. See Source File Key #4906 for plat chart which was enclosed with his 1/17/24 descriptive letter [under 4906-3, Par. R2] re 4906-5.

Mentioned Entities

Dayton Ohio, Ohio, Well Shaft (Pyramid), Arthur Lammers, Book of Job, Phillips Hotel (Dayton), Angels, Gladys Davis, Law of Moses, Purpose

Source: The Complete Edgar Cayce Readings, A.R.E. CD-ROM (2006). Reading 4906-5, ReadingID 13000.