Reading 543-23

TEXT OF READING 543-23 F 26

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Date: 5/9/1935 Sex: F Age: 26 ReadingID: 3856

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his home on Arctic Crescent, Virginia Beach, Va., this 9th day of May, 1935, in accordance with request made by the self - Miss [543], Active Member of the Ass”n for Research & Enlightenment, Inc.

[Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. L. B. and Edgar Evans Cayce.]

Time of Reading 3:45 to 4:00 P. M. Eastern Standard Time. …, Va. (Physical Suggestion)

1. EC: Yes, we have the body; this we have had here before.

2. In some respects conditions show much the same way and manner as indicated; others show some improvements, others show tendencies for the whole system to rely upon SUBSIDING the nerve reactions that should be builded for coordination in the system - these are not so good.

3. As we would find in the present, and with taking the Luminal and the hypnotics and narcotics that apparently become necessary for the body, it would be better NOT to use the Bitters along WITH same; for these work in opposition one to the other.

4. We would continue with the use of those things that aid in the eliminations; such as the oil packs OVER the caecum and the lower portion of the liver area - or from the edge of the ribs on the right side, you see, over a portion of the stomach, down to the hip bone and across a small portion of the lower portion of the abdomen. These will be helpful, if they will be taken consistently - no matter what the medications may be that are taken internally; for these will tend to relieve those pressures and those strains upon the whole nervous system - that are caused by drying of tissue by the administering of narcotics that CAUSE the deadening of the activity of those forces in the system.

5. We would continue with the yeast, for this produces a character of activity in the gastric flow of the stomach and intestinal system that aids towards eliminations.

6. Occasionally it would be well to take an emit that works with the gastric flow, whether the salts - as Crazy Crystal Salts, or the effervescent salts, or the bicarbonates of soda. Any of these will work with the gastric flow of the system. Keep these. (Citrocarbonates)

7. Ready for questions.

8. (Q) Are the castor oil packs given correctly, in correct place? (A) Not always given correctly. Give as indicated; the right side of the body, from the lower portion of the rib area to the lower portion of the caecum and the ileum plexus area; this extends to the lower portion of the abdomen and over the right side, you see, particularly.

9. (Q) Are the properties in Phenobarbital the same as in Luminal? (A) Not exactly the same; but preferably use Luminal instead of the Phenobarbital.

10. (Q) What amount in grains should I now take of Luminal? (A) This, to be sure, depends upon the reactions in the system. No more than necessary to keep the proper activities as related to the turns.

11. (Q) Should I decrease my Luminal? (A) Decrease as fast as it is possible to do.

12. (Q) Does the body eat the proper foods? If not, what changes? (A) These are very good in the present. Do not eat too much starches or sweets; though these are necessary in certain quantities or characters for the better activity of the system. The sweets may be principally in the honey, preferably with the honeycomb. The starches should be preferably from vegetables and the activities that may be had with a COMBINATION of pastries (this is not with too much sweetening in same, but sweetened with honey - as indicated). And the brown bread, or rye bread. These are the preferable ways for these.

13. (Q) Is there any dope in Bromo Seltzer? (A) Very mild. Only that rather as a sedative than a dope.

14. (Q) Are there any teeth giving this body any trouble? (A) There are some teeth that need local attention. These arise from the changing of the salts in the body, and show some crumbling that has caused some of the irritation that makes for a nervous reaction. Unless these are attended to they will give trouble.

15. (Q) Is the body responding as it should? If not, what suggestions? (A) We would follow these for the present, until there can be the proper reactions from the oil and the eliminations through the system. Then we may suggest those changes necessary.

16. We are through with this reading.

Copy to Self ” ” Ass’n file

Reports

Reports & Follow-up

R1. 5/26/35 [saying she’d had several hard seizures lately]: “When I asked about Bromo Seltzer I only wanted to know for my own satisfaction. I have never taken any and hope I shall not take any in my life. I am taking one and one-half grains Luminal in each tablet, and I take sometimes two a day, usually not quite two whole ones. Whenever you say return to the Bitters I am ready, for I feel better when taking such.”

R2. 6/1/35 She asked him “Brother, are you a Christian Scientist?”

R3. 6/5/35 He replied: “Am I a Christian Scientist? Yes and No. I am not a member of the organization, but there are many principles that I hold are true. But I really believe we have to meet things where we have made them, or we find what we have lost where we lost it. Do you see what I mean?”

R4. 6/27-30/35 Miss [543] and her father attended the A.R.E. Fourth Annual Congress. EC talked to Mr. [1212] about the possibility of sending [543] to Still-Hildreth Osteopathic Sanatorium, Macon, Mo., where the doctors in charge had agreed to cooperate in treating any patient sent to them.

R5. 7/6/35 Mr. [1212]‘s letter: “We reached home late Monday evening, from Richmond to …, we went through three very hard rains & stormy weather. [543] was not so well Monday morning, so I decided that she should have a Colonic in Richmond, which she really needed.

“We certainly are indebted to you, for such a fine trip, and such delightful meetings, I shall always remember them with such benefit and pleasure.

“In regard to [543] going to Macon Mo. after mature thought & counting the cost, I just do not know what WE SHOULD DO. I also had a talk with Dr. Turman [B. D. Turman, D.O.] in Richmond, who is an outstanding Osteopath, is thoroughly familiar with [543]‘s condition, as he treated her sometime ago, confidentially, he advised me that he had, very grave doubts about Osteopathy being a permanent help for [543], HE IS WELL ACQUAINTED WITH the Doctors at Macon, Mo. and assured me they stood high in the profession but discouraged my sending [543], he knows of the workings and the cost, & he just said ‘Frankly would not advise sending [543] there now’ this is all the information.

“Since our return we have, I hope something, that to me looks like we may yet have found a cure for [543], today the father of a young lady in our city has just returned from Cleveland Ohio, his daughter was operated on successfully for Goiter, by Dr. Crile [George Crile, M.D.], who specialized in Goiter and Epilepsy, he told me that one of the nurses stated to him that she was connected with hospital there for 10 years, and Dr. Crile had cured every patient that had Epilepsy, that he had treated, he is a German doctor about 70 years old, but looks like he is not over 50.

“My purpose is to investigate this fully, and then advise you further, then we will pass this information to you, and ask for a reading if you think this is proper.

“At your convenience please let me hear from you, with kind regards and many good wishes.”

Sincerely, [1212]

R6. 7/5/35 Letter from A. G. Hildreth, D.O. to Dr. B. D. Turman:

[copy] STILL-HILDRETH OSTEOPATHIC SANATORIUM, Macon, Missouri

Office of Superintendent A. G. Hildreth, D.O.

Dr. B. D. Turman, 504-11 Methodist Bldg., Richmond, Va.

Dear Dr. Turman:-

“It was mighty fine of you to write us and we appreciate your interest in our work and the information contained in your letter relative to Miss [543], all of which will be kept strictly confidential. She need not know you have written us unless that be your desire.

“Mr. Casey [Cayce] has referred several people to us, only one or two have come, never a case of grand mal epilepsy. I don’t know what he means by our working with him. We of course appreciate his good words for our institution and do all in our power for the patients. Epilepsy, as you know and as your letter indicates, is a mighty hard thing to cure; however, in the last two years we have been having some remarkable success with a few cases that seemed incurable when coming to us, and we have only used regular genuine osteopathic treatment, hydrotherapy and diet; we watch the bowels carefully and use colonic irrigations.

“Under separate cover we are sending you some booklets and would be glad to have something of yours in order that we might return the compliment if the opportunity came. I feel all our institutions should pull together in every possible way and we are always glad when we can cooperate.

“We could probably take care of Miss [543] at about 35.00 per week, which would mean everything, room, board, doctors' and nurses' attention, everything except the personal incidentals and an entrance examination fee of 25.00. Our rates range from 30 to 40 per week according to condition of the patient and the room occupied, but I take it we could take care of her in that way; however, it is advisable to arrange those matters after the patient comes and she sees our rooms and we know more of her needs. We always make our rates as reasonable as possible, especially when conditions are such they need to be taken care of. Just know we appreciate your letter and if we hear from Miss [543] or should she come to use we will keep you posted on the findings and progress.

“I regret to know you are not to be in Cleveland. My wife and I expect to attend as usual. I enjoy those conventions and since I sit back and let the other fellows do the work I enjoy them more than when I was so active. It was good to hear from you and I hope you and your family are well. Give my regards to your wife and also to Dr. and Mrs. Shackleford [E. H. Shackleford, D.O.], and believe me,”

Sincerely yours, [signed] A. G. Hildreth, D.O. AGH-M

R7. 7/8/35 Letter to Mrs. […] from A. G. Hildreth, D.O.:

[copy] STILL-HILDRETH OSTEOPATHIC SANATORIUM Macon, Missouri

Office of Superintendent A. G. Hildreth, D.O.

Mrs. [[…], [543]‘s mother] …, Va.

Dear Mrs. […]:

“Your letter just received. We appreciate Mr. Cayce’s wonderful recommendation of our institution.

“Epilepsy is a pretty hard thing to cure and if cured takes time. We have not encouraged those cases to come to us for the reason that type of condition is hard to handle, especially in an institution where mental cases are treated. Their attacks so often disturb other people; however, for the past two years we have been receiving some very splendid results with this type of condition.

“You do not tell us the age of your daughter, nor anything about the length of standing, nor of the severity or character of her attacks, and with this meager information it would be impossible to make a suggestion. Of course, the longer standing the condition the more questionable the results. Recent cases have a better outlook, naturally. We do secure, however, results sometimes in the longer standing conditions.

“As to time it would require we cannot tell you. If the condition is chronic it might take a year or longer; if a recent case we should be able to get results more quickly.

“We appreciate your letter, appreciate the good words of Mr. Cayce and assure you we are here to serve you to the upmost of our ability, and others whose lives are entrusted to our care and we are never happier than when we can cure them. This institution is a place to cure people and is in no sense a place to simply care for them. I assure you we will be glad to furnish further particulars; as a rule, however, it takes conscientious treatment over a period of time long enough to know what to expect. We are sending you one or our illustrated booklets.

“Thanking you for your interest and awaiting your further pleasure, I am”

Sincerely yours, [signed] A. G. Hildreth, D.O. AGH-M

R8. 7/8/35 Letter to Mr. [1212] from Dr. B. D. Turman:

[copy] TERRACE SPRING CLINIC 504-11 Methodist Bldg., Richmond, Va.

Staff: Dr. E. H. Shackleford Dr. B. D. Turman Dr. Geo. E. Fout Dr. R. A. Bagley

Mr. [[…], [543]‘s father] …, Virginia.

Dear Mr. […]:

“Please find enclosed a letter I have just received from Dr. Hildreth in regard to [543]. This is an answer to the letter I wrote him.

“There was nothing in my letter to them that I would have objected to [543] seeing; I merely gave them the history of her case, and sometimes, however, it is not best for patients to know too much about themselves; I judge that is why Dr. Hildreth said what he did in the beginning of his letter. You can use your own discretion about showing it to her.

“With kindest regards to all, I am,”

Most sincerely, [signed] Dr. B. D. Turman bdt:mh

R9. 7/9/35 Letter from Geo. Crile, M.D. to Mrs. […]:

[copy] GEORGE CRILE, M.D. Euclid Ave. at 93rd St., Cleveland, Ohio.

Mrs. [[…], [543]‘s mother] …, Va.

Dear Mrs. […]:

“I am in receipt of your note of July 5th regarding your daughter who has had epilepsy for quite a number of years.

“I might say in this regard that we have been doing a series of operations which consist of cutting the nerves to the adrenal glands, first on the left side, then removing a small portion of the thyroid gland, and this again is followed by cutting of the nerves on the right side. Our results have warranted our continuing this operation and should you find it convenient to bring your daughter to Cleveland, I should be very happy to see her.

“The duration of time for each of these operative procedures usually entails a period of about one week for each part of the operation, the right denervation, however, being done about six weeks to two months following the first.

“As to the expense involved in this procedure, I shall refer your letter to Miss Slattery, our Financial Secretary, who will write you under separate cover.

“Assuring you of my desire to be of service to your daughter, I am”

Yours very sincerely, [signed] George Crile, M.D. GC-MC-S

R10. 7/14/35 Mr. [1212]‘s letter:

Dear Mr. Cayce:

“Referring further to my letter of July 8th, in which I wrote you that I would pass on information, received from Macon, Mo. and Dr. Crile.

“1st - I am enclosing letters from A. G. Hildreth, D.O., one written to Mrs. […] and the other to Dr. B. D. Turman, I wrote you that Dr. Turman would write giving a history of [543]‘s case, as she had taken treatment by Dr. Turman this will explain to you fully, what has passed, the treatment by Dr. Turman did not give her relief, however, I think Dr. Turman did his LEVEL BEST for [543], & and when I requested him to write to Macon, Mo. he said he would gladly do so, but discouraged our sending [543] there, or to any Osteopath, as the treatment would not in his opinion cure [543], therefore I feel that it would not be well to send her to Macon, Mo. so let us abandon this. [See R11 below.]

“2nd - I am also enclosing you letter from Dr. Crile, which explains his operation fully. The young lady I referred to in my letter of July 8th told us as soon as she learned that Dr. Crile specialized in the cure for epilepsy, she made special enquiry, and was informed that Dr. Crile had been performing these operations for about four years, with great success, in fact said, she was told that he had always been successful, cured every case.

“I desire you to give [543] a reading, in the meantime we are working to arrange for [543] to go to Dr. Crile, with the great success he has had I believe that you will agree with me that this is for the best.

“[543] may ask you for a reading if so please give it to her as early as convenient to you. I do not think she would be content to go to Dr. Crile unless you sanctioned it, hence this letter.

“I am delighted to advise you that [543] has been very well since I wrote you last, of course she has attacks, but not so often, and seems to be in better general condition, since your reading eliminated ‘May Blossom Bitters.’

“Please return me the enclosed letter, which I will ask you to treat confidential, if [543] does not write you for a reading, please write her that I desired it, which you will recall, I mentioned this in person, also wrote you in my letter of July 8th.

“Thanking you for your kind interest, and for a prompt reading.”

Sincerely, [1212]

R11. 7/16/35 Miss [543]‘s mother wrote thanking EC for “making it possible” for [543] to come to the Congress (evidently he arranged an inexpensive place for her and Mr. [1212] to stay); she asked for a ck. rdg. but as usual, the same as Mr. [1212], wanted the rdg. to tell Miss [543] to go to Dr. Crile. The parents invariably told EC beforehand what to say in the rdg.

R12. 7/18/35 EC’s letter to Mr. [1212]:

“I’m sure you remember that [543]‘s very first reading suggested an operation [543-1], that this would be the most successful way. And as I understand from Dr. Crile’s letter, his operation is very similar to the one suggested for [543] in the reading. I’m anxious to know just what will be said in answer to that question through the reading.

“Know that we are very glad to do anything we can to be of help. We all think a very great deal of [543], and we are certainly very anxious to be of some help to her.”

R13. 7/17/35 Miss [543] submitted questions.

R14. 7/23/35 See 543-24.

Background

Background

B1. See 543-22 for epilepsy on 1/16/35 and subsequent Reports.

Mentioned Entities

Osteopathy, Ohio, Glands (Esoteric), Colon Hydrotherapy, A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment), Baking Soda, Castor Oil, Edgar Evans Cayce, Germany, Gertrude Cayce, Gladys Davis, Hydrotherapy, Purpose, Virginia Beach

Source: The Complete Edgar Cayce Readings, A.R.E. CD-ROM (2006). Reading 543-23, ReadingID 3856.