Reading 4159-2

TEXT OF READING 4159-2 M ADULT

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Date: 7/11/1928 Sex: M ReadingID: 11886

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 115 West 35th Street, Virginia Beach, Va., this 11th day of July, 1928, in accordance with request made by [4159] and his wife, [459].

[Edgar Cayce; Mrs. Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno.]

Time of Reading 10:20 A. M. Eastern Standard Time. …, N.J.

1. GC: You will have before you the bodies and the enquiring minds of [4159] and [459], in … Ave., …, N.J., and the home relations and their relations to each other. You will give each of these bodies any suggestions in a physical and mental manner that would help at this time. You will answer the questions which I will ask you regarding these.

2. EC: Yes, we have the bodies, the physical and mental relations that have existed and do exist respecting these individuals, and their mental abilities. These we have had here before. Many conditions of varied natures have arisen, as would be natural in the changed conditions in the affairs of each. Many changes have also arisen in the mental affairs and mental abilities of each of these.

3. In that of [4159], these - we find - are much bettered in many respects; yet there are still many varying conditions that exist in the mental attitude of each respecting the proper correlating of ideas and ideals in the social and physical relations of the bodies of each in physical and mental attitudes. These as bettered conditions may be given, and these - adhered to - would bring bettered relations for each of these.

4. As relations exist in the present time, there are those ties and those dependent ones that must not be forgotten, no matter WHAT the attitude of one or the other may be; for these are morally, mentally, physically (and will be held spiritually) accountable for that environmental condition through which these lives are moulded. These cannot, then, be neglected - no matter what an INDIVIDUAL idea of personal conditions may cause to arise. These must be first and paramount in the ideas, ideals and relations, of each.

5. Each must, then, be more tolerable; and more consistent in that which one would have others believe and that which one believes his or her self! Are these compatible? No. Not in the lives of either of these individuals! Then, when there is the attempt to put on a front or an appearance of that which one would have OTHERS to believe, and the lives of each are not compatible with same, there may not be expected a result in the daily filial or marital relations that will be in keeping with that which will BUILD COMPATIBILITY, much less pleasantness or happiness in the lives of either!

6. These then must approach (not one, BOTH) that correct attitude of the spiritual life, that the mental and physical results of spiritual meditation may bring that which is desirable in a compatible home life, a consistent life, in the way of presenting every form of relationship to home, friend, or those dependent upon these for SPIRITUAL welfare, or spiritual understanding; for without the correct spiritual foundation there may not come the proper mental meditation, nor the physical act in the life of either to bring those relations that are in keeping with those vows taken by each, whether of marital, social, spiritual, or even PENAL affiliation in the relations of each!

7. These, then, may ONLY approach same through these channels. NOT one; BOTH! Ready for questions.

8. (Q) At time of their marriage you gave that it would take [459] some ten years to bring [4159] up to her ideal. What is lacking in order to make him that ideal? (A) There has been as much change in the IDEAL of [459] in the seven and a half years, as there has been growth in the life of [4159]. This change continuing, will they ever reach a point? Answer from those conditions that are compatible in the lives of each. There will be seen that the life that is of the self-centered and self-important - in a relation where the wife is the one in mind, flesh, and one in union, the growth is towards the compatibility and NOT towards that of INCOMPREHENSIBILITY - as is so often set forth in the acts of each!

9. (Q) Give any suggestions in way of directing [4159] so that he will be all that she would like him to be - especially about irritations. (A) Both first must approach that position of the spiritual understanding. If there cannot be found the proper spiritual understanding - a sad lot for each!

10. (Q) Does [4159] measure up to his ideal? Does she lack anything? (A) Spiritual understanding!

11. (Q) Would [4159] be happier if the wife’s family came to live with them and share his home? (A) No!

12. (Q) Would it relive him financially? (A) Yes!

13. (Q) What is [4159]‘s attitude toward this? (A) At times the desire seems to be expressed; yet the innate knowledge that this would not make compatibility is ever present.

14. (Q) What is his attitude toward his mother-in-law? (A) That has oft been given. That of the respect; and it has grown with the knowledge of the understanding that is often seen in those relations.

15. (Q) Will [4159] have a big future if he remains in …? What about his career? Would law be better? (A) This has often been approached; and it HAS NOT changed! Give that, and act that, would the life be made one of service, rather than of thought of the social or financial success. Let these be the result, NOT the end!

16. (Q) Should [459] continue her professional work? (A) One CANNOT serve two masters!

17. (Q) Will [4159] repeat the happening of Saturday A.M. June 31st ever again? Did he mean it? (A) That would be a sorry man, that was egged on to conditions that make one lose control of self. Repeat not those conditions that bring such about! and there would not be the repeating of the conditions! for he that has NOT a temper isn’t much man OR woman. He that cannot CONTROL same is LESS of a man or woman!

18. We are through.

Reports

Reports & Follow-up

R1. 7/11/28 EC’s letter to [4159]‘s wife, [459]:

Dear [459]:-

I enclose the information gotten this morning. Have been so very busy I haven’t been able to get to this before. Hope the delay has not caused you any worry or anxiety. I wish it had been possible for both of you to have heard it. Then you could have been better able to ask questions as they presented themselves to your mind from the information given. It’s a hard thing, you know, for someone else to attempt to ask questions on such conditions, even where they may be presented; for, naturally, we all approach such relations with fear and trembling, knowing only too well that sometimes a word here or there may change the whole life of an individual at such times.

I’m sorry indeed to know that these things have arisen. [4159] called me over the phone. I was not here. Gertrude talked to him. He wired me the next day. I haven’t written him, for I haven’t known just what I should say. I will try to write him, though I feel it would be better if I could talk with you both in person; though I don’t know whether one ever has a right to butt in and say a few words unless they are asked - but, as you know, I feel that you are both so near and dear to me, I’m always glad and anxious to do or say anything that may make conditions better, or shall I say, conditions more nearer as they should be.

I hope you both will let me hear from you again. You know if I can be of help in any way I’m only too glad to try and do so.

Please remember me to Mother [325], and give my love and regards to the rest also - and with love from all.

Ever the same, Edgar Cayce. EC:GD

[Dictated but not read]

R2. 7/20/28 Wife’s letter:

Dear Big Buddy -

Your recent letter received & I want to tell you how very much your reading helped. It was about time that we looked out for ourselves instead of just being of service to our community. I felt there were many things for improvement around our home and there is no time like the present.

As for the change already I need not tell you for you can see all without me telling you. You’ve since proved that your work has developed so that you see things without necessarily “reading.” [4159] thinks as much of your advice awake as asleep & you know how I always have felt about you.

However a little later we will take a reading. I feel if this one characteristic is remedied it will mean that your reading of years ago is about to be fulfilled & a great change since last 2 weeks. How are all you dear ones. Come to see us real soon & excuse this scratchy pen. You gave a wonderful reading & both [4159], & I appreciate your kindness more than this scratchy pen can say.

With Loads of Love to yourself & the folks, ever your Liz [?] [459]

Use this for smokes. Be sure it is purely personal. I will write you or see you about the best policy in raising money for the hospital. We know some very wealthy people out here - folks who live here but are New Yorkers & they are financially able to help.

We have been busy raising money to pay for our new Temple but all will work out I know.

R3. 7/24/28 Mother [325]‘s letter: “All is well with them.”

R4. 5/10/29 See 4159-3.

Background

Background

B1. 6/31/28 She had phoned EC that she was taking the children and going to her mother’s - [4159] had “slapped” her. Later he phoned EC, crying, asking him to do what he could.

B2. 7/1/28 Wife [459]‘s letter:

My Dear Big Buddy

So you do know that I am & have always been thinking of you

• guess you know also that I’ve had my hands full with the “Rabbi”. Oh I’ve tried & tried to bring him up to what I’ve always held as my ideal. Perhaps there is plenty lacking on my part. He evidently thinks he will never bring me up, too, so again you must step in. I can’t talk this over with anyone except you & [325]. They don’t understand. The family is growing large & one must be cautious.

Let’s settle this once & for all for there are so many things that need attention & these seemingly unimportant things to [4159] are big things in my life. For instance, he airs out all his ups & downs concerning the family in the presence of the … [“Joneses”]. I haven’t been reared that way. I take into consideration that he comes from different environments but even so with his education & his association of past 7 1/2 yrs he should have that much common sense. That’s our main problem. Then, with the children he uses his modern psychology & I want to rear [1856] and [2444] according to our rearing. I don’t think the rest of the family are so bad. I’m the only black sheep. I had to rehash that reading of 7 1/2 yrs ago & I take inventory & really [4159] has not improved very much in the one main thing that I want him to be and that is kind & considerate to mother [325]. He never inquired about Aunt [125] when mother returned & that hurt me. How can I show him these things. When I do he resents it. I think you can see pretty well without me telling you. Mother said she was talking to some one in her sleep when I was considering calling you at 2 A.M. David called at 12 Monday nite & I said you had left for home. [4159] phoned at 11.30. Well next morning I debated with myself as to whether [1856] should go and [1856] not wanting to go. I said alright but I reconsidering it. At 10.30 when you sent the wire we were telling [1856] good bye. The wire came at 5 P.M. Wasn’t that WONDERFUL!! Gee! I’ll have a lot to talk about - when you get here. Now if the reading is not worded in detail as it should to cover this just adjust it. The main trouble is this one thing - UNCULTURED. His career will come, but the Saying that you can’t acquire culture but Education can be attained surely works out here. He hasn’t changed in this one thing that I can see. No cultured person would put themselves subject to the gossip of [“Joneses”], am I right?

What will my children be with their daddy as an example. For instance he will tell me in front of [1856] that I always fight with [1856]. [4159] doesn’t believe in spanking, yet when he wanted to drive home a point with [1856] he spanked him but disapproved of me spanking him. Now how can you get along with one like that. Well, perhaps the reading will bring this out. Ha! I don’t “welcome” that step but I am serious. Love & more love. You know that I am always interested in you. Lets get this boy settled one way or the other, as I say I can perhaps SELL HOSPITAL STOCK if the other doesn’t play [?] out to suit me. I hear you saying SELL BOTH. You are a pearl - I can’t get over it. [257] will rejoice with us. Can’t wait to tell him. I’m not telling him about this reading - only you. He won’t understand for he has lost patience with [4159] long ago. Perhaps you can bring him back but [4159] just isn’t what a minister should be. He doesn’t practice what he preaches. Yes, his lessons are inspiring - got 59 new members. All running nicely except [4159], and I am going to give him a run - once & for all.

Again I send love & more love - as ever, [459]. I’d love to see you all - soon I hope.

B3. 7/3/28 Rabbi [4159]‘s wire: “My dear friend - since you gave reading before married stating [459] superior to [4159] I heard naught but that tho bent to please her and family and tho she never tries to meet even part way - altogether stubborn - must come to reason things out sensibly for happiness. Wire my expense what you have done.”

Mentioned Entities

Ideal, Gertrude Cayce, Meditation, Gladys Davis, King David, Virginia Beach

Source: The Complete Edgar Cayce Readings, A.R.E. CD-ROM (2006). Reading 4159-2, ReadingID 11886.