Reading 3812-7

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Date: 4/10/1931 Sex: F ReadingID: 11397

This Psychic Reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 115 West 35th Street, Virginia Beach, Va., this 10th day of April, 1931, in accordance with request made by those present.

[Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. A. C. Preston, O. H. Snyder, Gray Salter, Hugh Lynn and L. B. Cayce.]

Time of Reading 3:00 P. M. Eastern Standard Time.

1. GC: You will have before you the location known as White Horse Hill on Broad Bay, Princess Anne Co., Va., especially that part of it covered in explorations today by A. C. Preston, O. H. Snyder and Gray Salter, present in this room. Are the locations made this morning with the instrument, which we numbered one, two and three, correct? You will answer the questions which we will ask you regarding these.

2. EC: Yes, we have those locations as made today in that vicinity of Broad Bay, Princess Anne County, known as White Horse Hill - this we have had before.

3. As is indicated by the indicator, or finder, these are SPECIFIC locations - though not ALL that may be found in the immediate vicinity. That as called One, nearest the tree from which the indications were to be taken, this the deeper - yet one of the most important. While its outline is not as definite as number Two, that toward east or south and east, this - as we find - in ONE - would be that to be indicated or re-checked again. In EACH location the emanations are so different. In Three we find more decided, yet a much smaller area. This in the south and toward the west. This, as we find, should also be included. Do not, in the explorations, so handle that to be indicated or found as to RE-handle in the various places. Begin first by re-checking the area. Outline these in a DEFINITE manner. Have sufficient either of those to REMOVE same, by a rotation - that is, getting it out of the way - or use some piling. In the first, we will find nearly twenty to twenty-five feet. In the second, from eighteen to twenty feet. In the third, we would find some sixteen to nineteen feet. Ready for questions.

4. (Q) Does that mean deep straight down or back in the hill? (A) Either way will be near the same.

5. (Q) Would the bottom of that take it down under water? (A) To water LEVEL in some of them.

6. (Q) Which should be gone after first? (A) That as indicated by the re-check of the most DEFINITE point - see?

7. (Q) Is this hickory tree the right tree to start from? (A) It’s better to start from the location than from the tree! The outline that is made by the indicator, THERE start - see? Outline same.

8. (Q) Give specific instructions to recover it. (A) As given. Either use those of piling or make the area sufficient that this will not have to be re-handled - see?

9. (Q) Will there be any difficulties encountered in digging there, from any sources? (A) We do not find it so, provided there are those precautions taken as natural and incident to such explorations.

10. (Q) Any other information that will be helpful at this time, or any warnings? (A) CHECK first - RE-check, see? Follow that one that is the most DEFINITE outline, see? Outline the area. Then give self sufficient of an area to remove covering - see?

11. We are through for the present.

Copy to A. C. Preston ” ” Edgar Cayce’s file

Reports

Reports & Follow-up

R1. 4/16/31 through 7/10/31 See 3812-8 through 3812-18 re buried treasure at Kelly’s Ford, Culpepper County, Va.

R2. 5/7/51 Edgar Evans Cayce’s letter to Henry Gross:

Mr. Henry Gross c/o Water Unlimited Biddeford, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross:-

Doubtless you receive many such letters but I hope the peculiar facts of this one merit your attention and interest.

Background: Age 33 - Education, BS in EE Duke Univ. 1939; Occupation, Engineer for Virginia Elec. & Power Co.; Father

• was Edgar Cayce (died 1945), a psychic of remarkable powers (reference THERE IS A RIVER by Thomas Sugrue, published by Henry Holt & Co). Most of Dad’s “readings” were on physical ailments of the human body but there were others, less well known, whose records are now at Virginia Beach, Va.

It is necessary to go through the above preamble to show you why I am writing you. I have just read Kenneth Roberts’ book on your amazing dowsing ability, and I would like you to engage in an experiment with me.

In one of my father’s “readings” [3812-6, 7] is a reference to some buried pirate treasure (consisting of gold, silver, jewels; monies and papers were mentioned) on a sand hill in this county. The directions were given from a stump that we have been unable to locate, though the hill, a large one, was found. The depth of 16 to 20 feet is beyond the range of present day mine detectors or metal locators. The location of the hill is such that it is not practical to tear it down with bulldozers.

What I propose to do is to send you maps and photographs of the hill. I will drive two stakes in the ground and ask you to give direction, distance and depth from each stake to the several caches (three were mentioned). Note that two stakes would be used since there might be confusion as to exact direction from one but if measurements are taken from two separate stakes only one point will correspond to that particular direction and distance, from each stake.

If you get answers that indicate you should be on the spot, the expenses of the trip could be arranged. Whether you come or not I will agree to divide anything found with you on a 50-50 basis (I would stand all expense of excavation). I am mainly interested in proving the validity of my father’s information on such matters and in obtaining some funds to carry on the work of indexing and extracting the information he left behind.

At least this would be an interesting experiment with nothing to lose and possibly much to gain. I hope it will appeal to you. If you are willing to try, let me know and I will drive the stakes in the hill at the highest point and send you maps and photographs of the hill itself with compass directions marked on them. If there is any fee attached to your trying, whether you get any indications or not, let me know and I will remit it along with maps, etc.

If you do not care to try this, please return this letter to me or destroy it, as I do not care to have any publicity attached to this undertaking until it is completed, if then.

Hoping to hear favorably from you, I remain,

Sincerely, Edgar Evans Cayce [EEC:GD]

Encl. self-addressed-stamped envelope

R3. 6/8/51 HLC’s letter to Sidney Kellam:

Mr. Sidney Kellam State Conservation Commission Richmond, Virginia

Dear Sidney:

A friend of mine, Morris Giltz, of Ohio State University, is interested in tracing the history of the Miami tribe of Indians that lived in this area.

For years Boy Scouts have picked up pottery and arrowheads in the State Park and last summer while walking through the Park Professor Giltz, my brother and I found traces of indian habitation.

In his behalf I would like to secure permission for some minor excavations in the Park area. They would, of course, be limited and no shrubbery or trees marred in any way.

Any assistance or information you could give me in regard to this would be appreciated.

Sincerely yours, Hugh Lynn Cayce [HLC:mb]

R4. 6/28/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia Dear Mr. Cayce:

Our chief concern is water. Henry has had plenty of experience on that, and we know he’s accurate.

Just so you understand that we make no claims concerning Henry’s abilities to find anything but water, go ahead and send your maps and photographs. We’ll take a shot at them without any fee involved. If anything develops from it, we’ll start all over again.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts [KR:MM]

R5. 7/11/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts;-

Reference is made to my letter to you of May 7, 1951, and your reply of June 28.

I am enclosing:

1. A map of the Cape Henry area showing White Hill.
2. An enlargement from an aerial photograph showing the White Hill area to a larger scale.
3. Eight snapshots, two of which #7 and #8 were taken from a plane, and show the sides of the hill which border on Broad Bay. The other snapshots show small areas of the hill and show two prominent landmarks, a large pine and a large hickory - pig nut hickory (pine estimated at 50 to 100 years old and hickory at 150 to 200 years old). The pine is near the water’s edge and the hickory is farther back part way up the southwest side of the hill.

The information we have indicated at least three separate treasures or caches buried on White Hill consisting of money, jewels, papers, articles of intrinsic value and probably gold and silver. Directions were given from a stump which we have never been able to locate (probably has rotted away, been covered with sand, or removed in some manner). If you get any indications from the rod it would be advisable to get directions from BOTH the pine and the hickory shown in the snapshots as these can easily be located in the field, and a direction and distance from both would give ONE definite spot to dig.

Example: Try to get depth and value of various caches also. It would be interesting to check the depth and value figures with the information we have. Also some mention was made in our information regarding the area being used as an Indian burying ground. Now fragments of Indian pottery have been found scattered over the hill near the surface, but the little excavation we have done has not revealed any bones or other evidence of Indian articles; you might question the rod regarding this.

If you get any reactions or information at all from the dowsing rod I shall be glad to proceed upon it at my own expense, giving Water Unlimited any amount you deem equitable up to 50% of what we find, or if you believe it advisable to come down and do some work on the location the time and expense of such a trip can be arranged at your convenience.

If you get no reaction at all or negative replies to all questions I would appreciate your returning the photographs and maps to me and simply forgetting the whole matter.

I await your reply with interest and a good deal of hope.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R6. 7/11/51 EEC’s note to HLC and GD: About a week ago when I came by to see HLC about Mr. Roberts’ letter of June 28th, I had planned to take my car to the shop on leaving here, to get the front left door unlocked. The door had been jammed and wouldn’t open. For several days I had been having to get into the driver’s seat from the other side. While talking to HLC that morning, he said, “Well, we might as well try it [the dowsing rod proposition] - it may open a door.” When I went out to get in the car, my mind was on the treasure hunt and without thinking I opened the front left door and got in the driver’s seat - the door was unlocked.

R7. 7/16/51 Kenneth Roberts’ Letter to EEC:

Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

I’ll have to say again that Henry has had no experience in matters of this sort. We’re willing to take a chance on it, though, because we know of your father’s remarkable work - and because you obviously are as disinclined to publicity as we are. The boys who cover dowsing stories just can’t seem to get things right.

Henry’s rod tells him that there are four buried boxes on the area indicated in your photographs. None of the snapshots give all four of these. Before using his rod on the photographs, Henry touched a rod to a George II silver pitcher. I used razor blades to cut the cross marks, so they’d be as accurate as we could make them from a distance.

We have marked the four boxes on the aerial photograph. So far as Henry could tell, there is no indication of any Indian burying ground on any part of the circled portion. Perhaps if we had a dead Indian to touch the rod to, the results might have been different.

Three of the boxes appear on picture #7, and only two under picture #8 - though we’re unable to say why there should be one more on 7 than on 8.

The box indicated on picture #3 seems to be 8 feet down, and the value of its contents NOW seem to be around $52,000.

Picture #6 shows a box at a depth of 10 feet, with a present valuation of some $30,000.

Picture #5 shows one box at a depth of 11 feet with a present valuation of around $60,000.

We can’t place the fourth box on any of the snapshots, but we’ve shown it on the map.

I’m returning all the photographs and maps, and it’s possible that from them you may be able to find out whether the rod is replying as correctly as we hope it is. We’ll be very much interested in hearing your reaction.

Very sincerely yours, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM

R8. 7/23/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

I was extremely interested in your letter. First of all I want to thank you for time and effort you spent on pin-pointing locations on the snapshots. The fact that you got reactions at all is remarkable. The information we have indicates at least three caches, two on the southwest side of hill and one more toward the east or southeast; also it said this was not all that might be located in the immediate vicinity. The depths indicated were 16 ft. for one and from 19 to 22 for the other two. This value was given at over a million.

Now the information you sent corresponds in many respects:- you got four locations, two on the southwest side of hill and one on southeast side; the other location is probably the one mentioned in our information as being in vicinity and not on White Hill proper (that is reason it shows on one aerial snapshot and not on other as they were taken at different altitudes and angles and don’t show same portion of hill or immediate area). As for the amount you may have just been picking up the silver (though the amounts mentioned are enough to spend considerable trouble looking for). The depths are what troubles us the most. No one could have buried anything 20 ft. or even 16 ft. deep in a sand hill. We concluded the hill had shifted since the stuff was put there. However, the information we have was given in 1930 and your depths may be as right as ours. Another possibility is that the depths are (in your information or ours) referring to depths at time caches were made.

You may be interested to know that the most ancient available maps of this area show White Hill. There are numerous legends of pirate treasure in the Lynnhaven Bay area.

We plan to try digging by hand this coming week end on at least two of the locations you sent us. If we hit anything I will wire you an invitation to join us at our camp site on White Hill. If we do not hit anything, would you both come down to Virginia Beach at our expense for a couple of days and go over the hill? I feel we could be surer of exact locations and depths with you both on the spot.

It would be a pleasure to meet you both and discuss this and many related subjects. You can be sure of our mutual desire to avoid all publicity.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R9. 7/26/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

We have decided to postpone our digging expedition until the weekend of August 4th, because:

1. We can obtain a boat for transportation then.

2. We can line up our digging equipment better - possibly obtain a centrifugal water pump which will do the job quicker and with less effort.

3. I hope you can check the enclosed snapshots which are close-ups of the three locations spotted on pictures #3, #5 and #6 (enclosed) and maybe we could obtain a more definite spot for digging.

Pictures “A” and “B” are close-ups of area shown in picture #3.

Pictures “C” and “D” are close-ups of area shown in picture #5.

Pictures “E” and “F” are close-ups of area shown in picture #6.

The rods shown in pictures are at measured distances from each other and a location on such a snapshot can be more nearly pinpointed.

You might check the depth again and values again, using a gold ring, diamond, pearl or some jewelry on rod as well as silver.

If you could do this in time for snapshots to reach us by next Friday, August 3rd, it might be an aid in digging. We shall try in any case and if we don’t hit anything the offer to come down at our expense and no publicity still holds.

A self-addressed-stamped envelope is enclosed for your convenience.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R10. 7/31/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 308 Arctic Crescent Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

If there are any buried boxes on your land, they must be in friable soil. Since this is the case, why don’t you sink test holes with a post hole auger?

In re-checking your photographs, the depths are considerably different from Henry’s original findings. “E” now shows at 7 feet. “B” now shows at 16 feet. “D” now shows at 12 feet. I have no idea why there should be this variation in depth.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc.

R11. 8/7/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

This past Saturday we tried excavating in two places on White Hill without finding any evidence of any buried boxes; the obvious conclusion being that we either did not dig in exactly the right spot or else did not go deep enough.

The method used was a high speed water pump (250 gal. per minute) to wash the sand away. This works very well as the slope of the hill is such that sand and water are swiftly carried off. In the location on the side of the hill we used the pump down to about 8 feet and then shored up the sides and dug another five or six feet with shovels in a limited location until it became too dangerous to dig due to cave-ins. We realize now that without elaborate shoring up it is not practical to dig very deep by hand; the solution would be to wash away a much larger area so that you could dig or wash the middle portion deeper without fear of the sand falling in.

On top of the hill we tried the pump again and were able to go down about seven or eight feet before our supply of gasoline and time ran out.

In both cases after going as deep as we did we probed down deeper in the holes with 8 foot steel rods which we were able to work and drive down about 6 to 7 feet.

The net result was that in the location on the side of the hill (the one that showed 7 feet your first try and 10 feet later) we covered an area about 8 to 10 feet wide and 15 feet long down 12 feet deep and a smaller area down 15 to 20 feet. On top of the hill (the one that showed 11 feet and 12 feet) we removed an amount of sand approximately 8 feet wide, 8 feet long and 8 feet deep and then probed in this hole another 6 feet with use of the steel rods (rods were driven a foot apart over bottom of hole).

Therefore with our limited time (all of the men participating work during the week and have only Saturday and Sunday for this searching) we proved only that there was nothing in the spot we dug; evidently our location or depth, or both, were off.

Of course we plan to continue the search until we have removed enough sand to such a depth as to definitely establish the fact that nothing is buried in the area or until we find all the boxes.

Enclosed are some photographs of the holes we dug. If you are still willing to follow through with this I would appreciate your checking them for location and depth. Also I wonder if it is possible for you to obtain any information on the size of the buried boxes and whether they are wood or metal.

Until such time as you find it convenient to come down I shall keep you advised of our progress.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

P.S. Regarding the soil, it is entirely loose sand; there are some roots down 4 or 5 feet and after that only sand which is, of course, packed harder the deeper you dig, but it is still loose sand with no trace of clay, rock or other type soil.

R12. 8/9/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

We’ll check your holes for you, of course; but Henry has gone to Texas to do some work for some waterless ranchers, and he won’t be back inside of two weeks.

I honestly haven’t any faith at all in the accuracy of Henry’s rod when it deals with anything other than water. I’ve proved definitely that it’s worthless when it comes to determining the sex of unborn children or day-old chicks - and I also know that it readily answers any question that he puts to it. It’s barely possible that he might come up with the right answers if he were on the spots, and you knew exactly what you were after; but all the time I’d be worried about the effect that such an experiment would have on scientists who are hunting hard for anything that tends to discredit the undeniable action of a dowsing rod on flowing underground water.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts

R13. 8/22/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts % Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

I appreciate the time and effort you are taking to check the snapshots, and I realize that since we are not dealing with water, the information may be inaccurate. Also I wish to reassure you there will be no publicity of any kind whether the experiment is a success or a failure. As you made clear in your book and as should be obvious, the fact that Henry could not determine the sex of an unborn child or a day old chick (or in this case locate metal underground) should in no way refute his established ability to find water.

I am anxious to continue the experiments because it is interesting and because Henry may be able to locate what we are seeking; there is so much correlation between the information we had originally and what Henry gave that I won’t be satisfied until we have excavated all the areas in question to a depth of at least 25 feet.

Some better snapshots are enclosed of three areas where we have done some digging to see whether we are proceeding in the right direction. I have omitted any pictures of the fourth area since I don’t know exactly where it is; it would be difficult to find unless Henry were here. From the aerial photos it would seem that this location is not on White Hill itself, but nearby; it might be easier to find and would certainly be an interesting one for Henry to check here on the spot. Any information you could obtain on the size of the buried boxes in EACH location and the type (wood or metal) might be helpful. We may be able to remove enough sand so that they could be picked up with a metal locator similar to an army mine detector, though, at present, I believe they are beyond the range of any such instrument on the market. I believe that originally the caches were buried at 6 or 8 feet and that since that time the sand still has shifted toward water so that now the boxes are 15 to 25 feet deep. Such a shifting in a sand hill is not at all unusual for this locality.

The two weeks delay won’t inconvenience us at all, since the spot is so inaccessible (can be reached only by boat or jeep) any expedition to it assumes the proportions of a major undertaking. Also since we are borrowing and renting equipment and working only on week-ends, it takes to time to get any expedition to the hill lined up.

I hope that some day you both will find it possible to get down to Virginia Beach. You might be interested in looking over some of the records of my father’s work, which I think is the best collection of psychic information in the world. I am sure you would enjoy talking to Hugh Lynn Cayce, my older brother, who has made a considerably more thorough study of such things than I. I would be particularly interested in seeing how Henry and his rod reacted at the spot at White Hill.

As for the enclosed snapshots:

Pictures #1, 2 and 3 show the location on the side of hill where we washed to the greatest depth. By comparing this with the pictures you have you can see how has it filled in with sand from sides.

Pictures 4 and 5 show the other location on the side of the hill where no excavation of any size has yet been attempted (only probing with rods).

Pictures 6 and 7 show the excavation made near the top of the hill where the depth was given as 11 and to 12 feet. We washed here down 7 to 8 feet and probed with steel rods another 6 to 7 feet.

Would appreciate your checking all snapshots. Any information on depth, size of boxes and type of boxes (wood or metal) in EACH location may be helpful.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce EEC:GD

R14. 8/27/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 308 Arctic Crescent Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

We have marked your photographs as you asked. The red circle surrounds crossed lines. The spot where they cross is where the rod gets a reaction.

The rod says that all the boxes are metal ones, and that they vary in size, the smallest being about 1 1/2 cubic feet and the largest about 2 1/4 cubic feet.

Henry is so tied up with work here that I don’t see how he could go to Virginia City unless we were certain that his rod was as accurate in the things for which you’re hunting as it is on water.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc

R15. 8/31/51 Newsletter to A.R.E. members included this Book Review by Edgar Evans Cayce:

HENRY GROSS AND HIS DOWSING ROD by Kenneth Roberts

Published by Doubleday and Company - 310 pages - Price $3.00

Reviewed by Edgar Evans Cayce To quote the book the phenomenon of dowsing is; “when certain sensitive individuals held between their fingers a flexible Y shaped branch, with no intention of bending it, twisting it or moving it, the branch will, under certain conditions, turn downward.” This turning downward is independent of the will of the operator and sometimes is of extreme force. There are many types of dowsers and their proficiency varies greatly as Roberts makes clear; that is some are sensitive to water, some to minerals, some to both etc. There is reason to believe that many individuals are capable of developing dowsing ability.

That dowsing enjoys a better reputation in other countries than the U.S. is shown by the fact that in 1931 the Government of British Columbia employed and official water-diviner, one Evelyn Penrose, who obtained remarkable success and whose map dowsing later coincided very well with Henry Gross’s in the location of water on Bermuda. That dowsing ability can be developed, and the results obtained by one excellent dowser, Henry Gross, comprises the bulk of the book. Roberts first met Henry in Maine and many accounts of finding water in this area are given. Probably the most remarkable results to emerge from Henry Gross’s experiments were that he learned he could question the dowsing rod and obtain a yes or no answer depending on whether the rod dipped or not in answer to a question, and that dowsing could be done from a distance by using maps or photographs. The best illustration of this was the location of three “domes” of water in Bermuda by dowsing from a map of Bermuda; location and depths were given. Then Henry Gross went to Bermuda and checked the location on the spot, again giving exact location, depth and flow of water. Drilling in these locations confirmed the predictions of Henry’s rod and water was located at the spot and depth indicated; all this in spite of the pronouncements of geologists that there was no fresh water on Bermuda.

The whole book contains abundant references, is spiced with an excellent sense of humor and makes extremely interesting reading.

R16. 10/2/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

We are still interested in following out the locations, and if you will, we’d like you to check the locations as we go down. There is a terrific amount of sand to be moved and it will take some time to get down 16’ or 20’ which should bring us near water level at the location shown in attached snapshots.

It was rather late when these were taken and they aren’t too good. But am anxious to see how close we are and exactly where to go deeper. I estimate we have lowered the ground level 6’ to 8’ over a wide area and probably a deep as 11’ to 13’ in a small area. In this small area we drove down to 8’ steel rods (you can see one rod in the pictures) about 2’ feet apart. I believe the tips of these rods are not far from water level.

We left the rods there. After checking the pictures it might be helpful to see if you could get a distance and a direction from the two rods now driven into the sand, and also try to get a depth location from either the top of the sand as shown in pictures, or from either top or bottom of the steel rods driven in the sand.

I am as interested in proving both your and our information as in finding what is buried there. I hope you will bear with us.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R17. 10/6/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. Edgar Cayce Foundation Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

Neither Henry nor I like this hidden treasure dowsing at all, because we don’t know anything about it. For all we know, we may be encouraging you to waste your time; and if this is so, it would be inexcusable.

On the five photographs you sent me, Henry’s rod first refused to work on any of them. Then he got a reaction on the one I’ve marked “A” on the reverse, but the reaction was to a point just off the printed portion (on the margin) as marked with the encircled crossed lines.

Please let us know how the mark on this “A” photograph checks with your information, beliefs or suspicions.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc

R18. 10/18/51 EEC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

I have delayed writing until I had taken a new series of snapshots, as may be the reason you didn’t get any reaction on the rod was that the pictures of the wrong area; maybe in excavating we got off to one side of where you indicated on the first picture. The depth is the troublesome thing. The information we had indicated three locations and gave depths of 16 to 18 feet, 19 to 20 feet, and 20 to 22 feet. Knowing that it would have been impractical if not impossible for anyone to have buried anything this deep in such a location I assumed the hill had shifted; that is the sand hill had drifted (as sand hills do in this vicinity) such that an object buried at say 7 feet or 10 feet was now under 16 to 22 feet of sand. In order to excavate to this depth in a sand hill without the use of elaborate piling or else destroying the whole hill with a bulldozer is a major job, but we found it could be done fairly well by use of a high pressure water pump and by simply washing away a large area of sand down hill to the surrounding bay. Still to get down 20 feet or even 16 feet you must uncover an area of 40 to 50 feet radius which means moving a lot of sand. My idea, since you couldn’t come down, was to get as accurate a location as possible from your dowsing snapshots and then excavate in the area; then take more pictures and check location again. If we were wrong we could correct in next excavation and continue on down into hill checking location as we go down by your dowsing snapshots of our diggings. After we had gotten down 15 to 16 feet we could drive a rod in the ground and since you can question the rod, ask you to give distance and direction to cache from steel rod in picture (of course the rod we drive in the ground has no relation to Henry’s dowsing rod; the rod we are referring to is simply a point of reference). This sounds like a good theory and is what I would like to try unless you have a better idea. As far as it being a waste of time on our part it isn’t, whether we find anything or not. If it is unsuccessful we should have learned something of the forces we are dealing with by learning their limitations and behavior under such conditions. If successful it would be a physical fact proven by separate psychic sources in a manner even the most skeptical could understand, besides being very profitable, and the possibilities from there are unlimited.

However, I know from experience that the ideas, ideals, attitudes, etc., of all the persons concerned in such an undertaking are very important and have a very great influence on the results obtained. If dowsing of this sort is distasteful to you or Henry, or if it in any way influences or impairs his water dowsing ability or upsets him in any way, let us discontinue it at once. I would understand your decision on this and would not consider what has been done so far an entire waste of time. If, however, your concern is only for the time and effort we are spending on the whole thing at this end, don’t worry about it at all.

I am willing to keep excavating until we either find something or until we have gone down at least 20 to 25 feet in the area indicated. The idea of checking snapshots as we dig deeper is to be sure that in excavating we don’t get off to one side and to save time and effort if we can get a definite depth and direction from some reference point such as a steel rod buried in the hole we are digging.

I would like to reassure you whatever the outcome there will be no publicity of any kind and no hard feelings on my part toward you or Henry.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

P.S. Enclosed are photos of the excavation we have recently made. The pictures are taken at different angles and looking at different sides, both near top and bottom of hole, in order to find which way to proceed next.

There is a steel rod (not shown in any pictures) in the center of the hole. You might try a distance, direction and depth from the bottom tip of this rod.

R19. 10/21/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 308 Arctic Crescent Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

We think this picture stuff is a waste of time. It isn’t that we have any objection to trying to help you; but neither Henry nor I like to work on anything about which we’re dubious. We know nothing whatever about the reaction of Henry’s rod to buried treasure; nothing about its action on a spot where something might once have existed and then been moved, either by nature or by human hands.

At all events, Henry’s first try on the enclosed photographs showed results on only one of them. A. The first reaction of his rod was that the deposit for which you’re looking is 66 1/2 feet from the stake. When he tried it again, however, the reaction was that the substance isn’t there now and has NOT been there. These two findings, being complete contradictions, are, to say the least, tiresome.

Then I had Henry touch his rod to an enameled gold eagle of the Order of the Cincinnati and try again over all the photographs. He got a reaction on the same spot on Photograph A; and in addition he got reactions where the lines cross on Photographs B and C. On the other photographs he got no indications at all.

I hope this is less discouraging to you than it is to us. If it isn’t, we’d like to know why.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc

R20. 11/9/51 HLC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts:

I have followed with great interest your correspondence with my brother, Edgar Evans Cayce. I have gone over the “site” with him several times and on one occasion spent a day with him and the young men who are working with him assisting with the excavation.

He asked me to write you with regard to a discussion which we have carried on intermittently in connection with ideas as to the source of the information and the various possible involvements in its transmission. I refer to both the information we received on this “site” through Edgar Cayce and also that you and Mr. Gross have gotten with the rod.

Let me hasten to say that this is being presented simply as a matter of discussion. As you will see it is an assortment of ideas approaching the subject from several different points of view.

In discussions with my brother and the young men who are working with him, this basic question has been examined. What are the possible sources for information on buried treasure and what are the complications which might arise in transmitting it? Psychic research in general, and this would include the work done with telepathy, clairvoyance, dowsing and spirit communication, seems to indicate that some individuals on the earth plane are possessed of powers of extended perception. Such perceptions operated through any one or all of the five senses. I have tried to illustrate this by saying that an individual sitting in a room with the windows closed and blinds down might be compared to an average human being. Obviously if one could raise the blinds and open the windows this individual could see and hear more clearly what was going on outside. Conceivably an individual sitting in a the room who was possessed of particularly keen eyesight or a particularly keen sense of hearing, let us say, would be able to discern more than someone with inferior sight and hearing. Our sensitive, therefore, is a person whose blinds are raised and whose windows are open at times. Clairvoyance we could then define as the ability to see what was going on at a distance, as clairaudience would be a similar ability of hearing. It seems quite likely that we might extend this sense of perception to feeling, to include dowsing ability. Psychometry falls more exactly under this heading.

Now if we move in another direction for a moment and postulate that some type of survival of personality is possible we have assisting in the area outside of our sensitive’s room (his body), (a) thoughts and impressions of action of individuals who have passed on, and (b) actual personalities existing in some type of finer body. Now if our sensitive begins to perceive the existence of such impressions or personalities he becomes involved in what we may call spirit communication and reports not only what he sees and hears and feels at a distance in time and space, but also what is transmitted to him by personalities interested in the same subject he is pursuing.

Perhaps all of the above is just an involved way of saying that either with Edgar Cayce or with Henry Gross we cannot eliminate the possibility that they are working with a clairvoyant power of their own inner makeup or with a communication with personalities existing in another plane of consciousness independent of them. I think it is quite possible that we may have to consider both sources of information at the same time.

I have told my brother that in my opinion you and Henry Gross have gone way beyond the explanations given in your book on his dowsing work. It is possible that you have formulated some specific ideas as to the source of your information and I think it only fair that at this point we give you an explanation of the kind of information with which we think we were working through Edgar Cayce.

Through the years we asked a great many questions about the source of Edgar Cayce’s information. He explained it while in the trance state (he had no explanation while in his conscious state) by saying that in previous life experiences that the soul entity had developed the ability to lay aside the physical consciousness and move in time and space. Thus in the period of a reading he could, through the subject given him, be in touch with the mind and body of an individual a thousand miles away and give, as he did thousands of times, accurate checkable descriptions of the physical condition of both the mind and the body of the individual. Frequently he described action in which this individual was involved taking place at the time of the reading. The Edgar Cayce records seemed to confirm the theory of survival of personality in a body form different from that we know in physical consciousness. He stressed the function of psychic perception through any or all of the five senses simultaneously. There were numerous references to communication with entities who had passed on but in no instance did he indicate a specific guide or control for any reading. Rather he described it as a movement of his own higher consciousness to contact the minds of entities on the earth plane and other planes of consciousness. He repeated what he saw, heard and felt. For example, we at no time had a change of voice or personality. Frequently it was as if he had interviewed an individual or simply had gone to a particular individual or place and picked up impressions. He worked in a state of unconsciousness, deep trance, or whatever you wish to call it.

We have been particularly interested in the information which you have gotten for us because, as I believe my brother mentioned to you in the beginning, it tended to confirm in several details the data which we secured through Edgar Cayce during experimental readings many years ago.

I have pointed out to my brother that it is quite possible that if information on the “site” coming from either Edgar Cayce or Henry Gross is being picked up from the memory patterns of the personalities now existing of individuals involved in placing the cache that we are quite likely to have conflicting bits of information. Even conscious memory is notoriously bad an we are dealing with a physical area which has changed and is continuing to change constantly through the actual movement of large quantities of sand.

We must also consider the possibility that personalities on another plane of consciousness either do not desire that the cache be located or are simply having fun at our expense. Equally important are the co-existing theories that such entities are bound by their attachment to such caches and that a use of the monies for good purposes releases the individual. Hence, we might well be doing a great many people a great service.

Without question, whatever be the source of our information, the ideals and purposes of the individuals involved are vitally important.

Frankly, we have been delighted and impressed with your frankness, directness and detachment.

I know that my brother is sending you some maps of the “site” and you can depend upon my full interest and cooperation. I look forward to the opportunity of meeting you at some later time.

Sincerely, Hugh Lynn Cayce HLC:mb

R21. 11/10/51 EEC’s letter:

Mr. Henry Gross, Mr. Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

It looks as if we are going to get nowhere with further photographs such as I have sent you. There are two other possibilities as I see it that may give better results.

1. I plan to make an accurate large scale map of the immediate area at White Hill. This map will show the top of hill, shoreline, areas where we have made excavations, and prominent landmarks as well as elevations of the various points. Along with this map I will enclose samples of the soil (on surface and as deep as we have dug) a piece of bark or wood or leaf from the oldest trees in immediate area, a piece of the Indian pottery, a sample of the bay water, and anything else that I think of that you might touch the rod to and try for a reaction on the map. This will take a while to prepare, but I will send it to you as soon as possible.
2. The other possibility, and of course the one I would like to see tried as I believe it to be the one most likely to be successful, is for you both to come down to Virginia Beach and go over the hill in person. I realize you are both busy with many other matters and that you hesitate to take time to go on what might be a wild goose chase. However, Virginia Beach isn’t a bad place for a short vacation, especially in the summer time and it is only a few hours by plane from Maine. Please do keep us in mind, and if time ever permits do consider coming down for what could be a relaxing vacation and would at least be a very interesting experiment.

I am enclosing a letter from my brother, Hugh Lynn Cayce, who is much better versed in the study of psychic phenomena than I. It may prove interesting to you and shed some light on reasons for the information as given by your dowsing rod.

I don’t believe conclusions can be reached on any matter until every possibility and means of experiment has been tried, and I hope you will bear with us until some sort of conclusion is reached.

I appreciate your past cooperation and am open to any suggestions you may offer. I would be interested in your comments on Hugh Lynn’s letter, any ideas on map and possible samples for reactions. I hope you both will find it possible to stop by.

R22. 11/12/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter:

Edgar G. Cayce, Esq. Hugh Lynn Cayce, Esq. Virginia Beach, Virginia Dear Edgar & Hugh Cayce

I appreciate the letters from the two Cayce’s, and only regret that these efforts haven’t worked out in the way that you hoped for - and that we, of course, were equally eager to have them.

We know practically nothing about dowsing; and both Horace Levinson and I believe that it’s something that you can’t theorize about. Every dowser we’ve seen works in his own way and is almost completely ignorant when it comes to interpreting the behavior of his rod (or whatever he may use to get his results). Because I’ve worked with Henry for three years, I know that when his rod says there’s flowing underground water in a giving spot, the water is always there. I also know that on other things his rod is no more accurate than my guess would be. That is to say, his rod would have no hesitation in telling him the sex of 1,000 day-old chickens; but when those thousand were instantly submitted to a Japanese chicken sexer, who must be and is right 100% of the time, I’ve found that Henry is only 50% right - and 50% isn’t good enough when you’re dealing with matters that require heavy investments on the part of the trusting by-stander.

To check on a map the known location of buried treasure is interesting; but when that checking leads a number of people to give time and energy, we’re on dangerous ground.

If I were as sure of the replies of Henry’s rod to questions concerning buried materials as I am as regards his reactions to water, I’d have sent him to Virginia Beach at once, rather than letting him work on a map or photographs. Since you’re so deeply interested, and in such a serious way, I’ll probably have to do this anyway - though I have no more confidence in his ability to spot a deposit when he’s over it than I have in his ability to spot it at a distance of five hundred miles. If it were water you were after, I wouldn’t do anything at all about it, because we’ve had several requests from water-starved residents of Virginia Beach, and in every case Henry’s rod has said that none of them had good drinking water on their properties.

So far as water is concerned, I strongly feel that Henry’s accurately utilizing a sense that most of us possess, and that we’ve been too ignorant to develop.

I don’t think much of Hugh Cayce’s suggestion that hidden personalities may be averse to discovering (let us say) buried gold, or that they may be “having fun”. If there were any possibility of this being so, I think it would have come out strongly in our work over the past year. All water geologists are deathly afraid that we will prove our point.

I know that it HAS been proved beyond any question; but the water geologist and a good many others won’t admit that it’s proved. The second they do admit it, they’ll be out of a job, and all the work that water geologists have done in the past few centuries will be labeled “accident”. It’s been impossible to dodge water geologists on a lot of the jobs we’ve done in the past year. If they could have stopped Henry’s rod, or diverted it, or made it react improperly, they most certainly would have done so; but Henry’s rod has gone right ahead and pointed out the needed water in every case.

There’s another point. We’ll work on any map that Edgar Cayce may send us; but in literally thousands of cases on which we’ve worked during the past year, Henry has always shaken his head when he’s asked to tackle maps more than once. He feels that he gets his surest reaction on his first try at a given map, and that the next step should be his pin-pointing on the spot. I think he’s justified in this, though only yesterday we were working on some enlarged airplane photographs of sections that he had done some months ago on an ordinary map of Gaspe Peninsula. To my (and I think Henry’s) surprise, his work on the enlarged photographs seemed to coincide exactly with the map work that had been done some three months previous.

Let’s see what happens when we get Edgar Cayce’s map. If you’re then going to use your own time and those of the young men you mention, there’s no two ways about it: Henry will have to go to Virginia Beach - and as I’ve said before, this may be exactly as inconclusive as his work over the maps. Flowing underground water is the only thing we are sure HIS rod will indicate.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM

R23. 12/1/51 EEC’s letter:

Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts, Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:-

On the 29th of November my brother and I went to White Hill with a transit and tape and setting up on the highest point of the hill we made the enclosed map. It shows the three locations we have tried digging and the most prominent landmarks. We drove wooden stakes at the highest point on the hill and at two of the holes we dug (there was already a steel ground rod in location #3).

We dug 8 to 10 feet in location 1 and 2 but our greatest effort has been at location 3 where we have dug 12 to 14 feet and probed down deeper with rods. At this location #3 we covered an area about 8’ x 10’ square. The rod in the bottom of this hole is an 8 foot steel rod. Elevation measurements show the top of the rod to be about 9 1/2 feet above water level which would put the bottom of the rod about 1 1/2 feet from water level. Any distances, directions or depths from this steel rod should be helpful or from the big pine or pig nut hickory, which are estimated to be well over a hundred years old. Enclosed with this map is:

1. Sample of sand from location #3 where steel rod is. -2. Piece of bark from big pine south of location #3. -3. Piece of bark and leaf from pig nut hickory. -4. Pieces of old indian pottery found on hill. -5. Piece of wood from stump on water’s edge. -6. Sample of water from bay.

All these samples are marked in envelopes and the locations they were taken from are shown on the map. Possibly touching the dowsing rod to them will have some effect, maybe not. It would be interesting to see if the information from each agreed; for example if rod was touched to bark from pig nut hickory and a direction was gotten from that if it agreed with directions obtained by touching rod to pine bark or to sand or pottery, etc.

If you get any reactions at all encouraging based on this map we will try some further excavating. If we don’t hit anything then or if you don’t get any favorable reactions to this map, I hope some day you both will find it possible to come to Virginia Beach and go over the hill in person.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce EEC:GD

R24. 12/4/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

The action of Henry’s rod over your drawing is certainly interesting. Perhaps its reaction to the piece of stump can be checked in the second place where it operated. Perhaps, too, the pig nut bark can also be checked since there was a secondary pig nut reaction.

The whole hill, according to his rod, seems to have pottery remains.

It occurred to me that we ought to try the area for water, and I marked the results in red - a dome with four veins.

How do all these markings coincide with what you know or suspect?

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc

R25. 12/10/51 EEC’s letter:

Henry Gross, Kenneth Roberts Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Gross and Mr. Roberts:

Yesterday, Sunday, December 9th, we went out to White Hill to check some points of the map you marked. You will be interested to know that at least three things checked very accurately:

1. At the spot where you noted a secondary pig nut hickory tree reaction there is a small pig nut hickory tree growing; this tree is exactly 52 feet from the other large on as shown on the map.
2. At the spot where you got a secondary reaction to pine stump chip there are a couple of old pine logs or stumps with small pines growing out of them.
3. Small pieces of pottery were found where you indicated and there is pottery all over the hill.

Three spots you indicated silver and gold near the pig nut hickory and the steel ground rod are close to where you got a reaction before from snapshots, and close to where we made the last excavation. We have removed some sand from these locations in excavating near the ground rod but I estimate that it is still 15 to 20 feet to water level at these spots. Since it is impractical to use the pump in cold weather we won’t be able to do any excavating with it until spring. We do plan to try using a mule with a scoop to remove some sand and then dig with shovels when we get near water level. We will try this sometime in January or as soon after first of year as we can make arrangements for mule and scoop and also have good weather on a week end.

The other location you marked as second largest isn’t near where you got reaction before on snapshots; though it may be as accurate. I don’t understand the isolated marks you showed as “gold 1 piece” unless possibly they were coins someone dropped. We looked there and also where you marked “silver coin smaller than others” but nothing on surface or even few inches under.

We plan to drive a wellpoint to hit the “water dome” or one of the veins you marked. From your experience which would you recommend? Did you get a depth for the dome? This would help us in securing needed pipe lengths.

I will let you know how we make out with excavations near ground rod and pig nut hickory. I hope the reactions you got there prove as accurate as the pig nut hickory and pine stump reactions which are remarkably accurate.

Thank you for your patience and interest.

Sincerely,

R26. 12/11/51 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

It’s hard to advise a person about veins and domes. A dome may be pretty extensive, so that when you set out to dig into it, you may have to go a great deal deeper than our measurements indicate before you can get even a part of the flow that may be in it. Then again, in digging to a vein, we always warn everybody that there is a given amount of water in it PROVIDED THE DIGGER CAN CAPTURE ALL OF IT.

We think that the vein marked “A” is the one to dig, and at the point marked “X”, where the top of the vein seems to be 8 feet down and the bottom 12 feet. The salt water level at that point seems to be 15 feet. We had a recent case at Cotuit (Mass.) where Henry’s rod indicated a clear stream 12 feet to the top and 14 feet to the bottom. They drove a point and got water almost immediately, but it was smelly bog water, which was discouraging to the owner, Mrs. Morse. Henry told them to keep right on driving, and at 12 feet they went into excellent drinking water, clear as could be.

You can drive a point at that spot we’ve marked, but if you run into seepage water before you’ve gone 8 feet, keep right on going, but not beyond 12 feet.

Isn’t there some mistake in the marking of the copy you sent us? We think the largest deposit is at #1, and the second largest at #2. Henry tried the rod on diamond, ruby, pearl, tourmaline and sapphire, but got nothing except pearl and ruby, all of this being at the #1 location.

We’ve marked the depths as well as we can. The #1 site shows the salt water level at 12 feet and the objects you’re hunting at 15 feet.

That “A” vein is apparently 36 feet wide at the spot “X”, and seems to flow 21 gallons a minute - good drinking water.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM Enc

R27. 5/15/52 EEC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:-

Just a note to let you know we have not abandoned our project. The weather for the past three months has been too cold and rainy to do any work.

As I wrote you, the most practical way we have found to excavate any size area at the location in question is by using a high pressure water pump and pumping water from the bay against the side of the hill and simply washing the sand away. This entails use of fire hose, suction hose, a suitable pump, gasoline, etc. However, these items are readily transportable by a small boat and can be used a couple of days at a time, as over a week end, and removed from the location; whereas heavy equipment besides being prohibitively expensive, would attract too much attention and would be almost impossible to transport to White Hill. Also we are doing all this on week ends only in order not to interfere with our regular jobs.

As soon as favorable weather permits we shall excavate to the depths indicated at the spots indicated for the cache.

We tried digging for water at the spot indicated as follows:- As near as possible we located spot on side of hill corresponding to map location. A hole was dug about 4 ft. wide, 5 ft. long, and 3 ft. deep. In center of this we dug a small hole about a ft. in diameter using a shovel with a 9 ft. handle. Thus the bottom of the hole was 11 to 12 ft. below surface. At this depth the sand was damp or moist but no water ran into the hole. It is possible that errors in picking out the spot on the hill corresponding to spot you marked on map could have caused us to be off enough to miss, for after all the bottom of the hole was only a ft. in diameter, not leaving much margin for error. That is why I believe when excavating for cache we should remove an area about 8 ft. by 8 ft. or 10 ft. by 10 ft. to depth of 15 to 20 ft. to allow for any error in matching map location with actual location. Since you located the other pig nut hickory tree and the other pine stumps so accurately (within a ft.) we won’t be satisfied until we dig to the depths you indicated at the location you indicated.

I still hope you may find it possible to come to Virginia Beach and go over White Hill in person. We will keep you advised of our progress and if you find it possible to come to Virginia Beach, if only for a day or two, please let me know.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce EEC:GD

R28. 5/19/52 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

When you’re ready to resume work, and have your pump, hose and other things assembled on the site, you might send me a schedule of days when you are going to be working, and I’ll do my best to send Henry to Virginia Beach, so that you can take him out to your locations and let him do some pin-pointing.

We’ll do this for you at our own expense, as your reports have been far more thorough than most of those that are made by people for whom we try to do things. We have practically been driven out of working for private individuals, as they lack almost everything that would tend to further the work we’re trying to do. That is to say, they lack courage, integrity, energy, money and sufficient intelligence to follow our instructions. The only way we can get any sort of adequate return is by working for corporations, and occasionally taking on individuals who are able to show their gratitude by putting their brains to work in a good cause.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM

R29. 5/30/52 EEC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:-

I was very pleased to receive your letter of the 19th saying you would be able to come to Virginia Beach.

We will be prepared to begin operations early on Saturday, June 14th, or early on Saturday, July 12th. If either of these dates are unsatisfactory, we can begin work on July 19th or July 26th. We are having the Twenty-first Annual Congress of our Association here on June 22nd through 28th and my brother will be tied up completely over both week-ends involved in this period. If Mr. Gross could arrive Thursday night or early Friday morning I could take time off from work to check with him the area and make location, then we could begin work early Saturday morning. If you will advise me of the date you select, I will make the necessary hotel reservations. What type of accommodations would you prefer? As a resort we have everything from a modest cottage to the Cavalier at $25 a day.

I believe if we start early on a Saturday morning it may be possible to check to the required depth by Sunday night on a pin point location (if depths and locations are anywhere near where we have been excavating). Let me state again:

(1) There will be no publicity of any kind. (2) You will be entitled to and may have anything you deem fair up to one-half of what we find. (3) I realize that since most of your work has been on locating water, this project may not succeed and that we both are entering into it as an experiment; though the information we have accumulated to date seems to offer a possibility of success.

If there are any last minute changes in plans or schedules contact Hugh Lynn Cayce, % Edgar Cayce Foundation, 308 Arctic Crescent, Virginia Beach, Va. (Phone 954; after 5 P.M., 54th St., Phone 1321-M) or Edgar E. Cayce, Michigan Ave. & West Lane, Oceana, Va. (Phone Va. Beach 533-W after 5 P.M.). Since I work in Norfolk and am in and out of office during the day, I suggest you call Hugh Lynn if you have to call before 5 P.M.

R30. 6/9/52 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

Henry will fly from Boston at 12 noon on Thursday, July 10th.

He will arrive Norfolk, Virginia, at 5 o’clock Standard time and take a bus from Norfolk to Virginia Beach.

He will be ready to pin-point with you on Friday, July 11th.

As to reservations, Henry prefers an economical cottage rather than the Cavalier.

He should leave Virginia Beach by Sunday, so that he can be back here on Monday.

I appreciate your suggestion that I make the trip too, but it’s impossible.

With all good wishes I am, Very sincerely yours, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM

R31. 6/17/52 Kenneth Roberts’ letter to EEC:

Edgar E. Cayce, Esq. 320 Arctic Circle Virginia Beach, Virginia

Dear Mr. Cayce:

I had a visit recently from a Nassau man who has worked a good deal on gold and silver deposits in the Bahamas. He informs me that Fisher Research Laboratories, Palo Alto, California, make an M-Scope, Heavy Duty Model, that works on metal masses on land when they are no more than 20 feet in depth. This scope will not pick up a single coin, but is accurate, according to my correspondent, on any mass. It sells for 195 plus a tax, which I believe brings it to 225.

It seems to me that if you’re going to go ahead with searches that must be expensive to you, and I’m going to take the trouble to send Henry down to Virginia Beach at our expense, you should equip yourself with any known instrument capable of corroborating Henry’s findings.

Sincerely, [signed] Kenneth Roberts KR:MM

R32. 6/22/52 EEC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:

I appreciate your note of the 17th about the M scope. I have some literature from several concerns, the best known of which are Fisher and Goldak of Cal. They each make two or three models of the same type locator. One is similar to an army mine detector and has a range of two or three ft. It will detect small objects such as bullets or coins a few inches under the surface. Then there is the heavy duty model or M scope (which will not pick up individual coins) but will detect larger objects as cans, chests, sheets of metal, water pipes, layers of ore etc. at greater depths. Also there is a light weight model of the M scope with very nearly the same range in a less deluxe case.

Though I am not an expert on metal detectors I know enough electrical engineering to understand their working principles and limitations. They consist of a transmitter and receiver mounted perpendicular to each other on carrying handles. This forms a sort of balanced bridge affair such that if the ground over which the locator is carried is homogeneous no sound will be heard in the receiver, or no deflection indicated on a meter. However, if the locator is passed over ground containing a metal object such as chest of metal, water pipe, etc. the transmitted electrical field is distorted by the difference in conductivity between the metallic object and the surrounding ground, and a sound is heard in receiver or a deflection noted on a meter. These detectors will work over fresh water but NOT over salt water since it is such an excellent conductor there is no way of distinguishing between the salt water and the metal object.

Now the Town of Va. Beach had a heavy duty M scope a couple of years ago which they used to make a survey of the water pipes in the area. The town engineer at that time was a good friend of mine and we did a lot of experimenting with the device. Needless to say we covered White Hill with it and found only some tin cans left by campers. We went so far as to bury an old car engine block (about size of object we expected to find) in sand at different depths. The deepest the locator would detect it was about seven feet.

I have seen other similar detectors work and have letters from purchasers of several different makes. I have some lengthy correspondence from a man in Fla. who owns and has used both the Fisher and Goldak instruments. His findings agree with mine that the maximum range of these devices on a metal object about two ft. by three ft. is around seven to eight ft. In addition I have secured the performance curves of these locators from the manufacturers (these are curves showing the size of object being located plotted against the depth of object in feet) These curves are linear for only a short distance; then, they swing up sharply in a parabola which means that to pick up anything at twenty to twenty-five ft. it would have to be as big as a house; so, in spite of claims of a 27 to 30 ft. range the best these instruments will do according to the most optimistic performance curves of the manufacturer on an object two ft. by three ft. on a side is around eight to ten ft., and in actual practice I believe it is somewhat less, although they would probably pick up an automobile or a body of ore at fifteen or twenty ft.

Now the VEPCO (where I work) has several of the light weight models which they use to locate gas mains. By experiment I have found these able to detect a two ft. by three ft. metal object at six to seven ft. deep, and we will have one of these available when Henry comes down.

I have gone into a good bit of detail to show you we have not neglected the possibility of using metal locators. It was because of their limitations I became so interested in Henry’s ability (after reading your book) as he didn’t seem to be limited by depth. Also these boxes or chests may be at or near water level (probably salt water) and this would foul up a metal detector.

We are making all preparations possible pending Henry’s arrival.

1. His reservations are made.
2. We are taking a few days off work the end of that week to get pumps, hose, beat and all equipment ready to go.
3. A metal detector will be available, though I haven’t much hopes of its working unless the cache is above salt water level and we can get within six to eight ft. of it.
4. We have secured some steel manhole forms to be used as piling in case of digging.

If Henry can pinpoint the object accurately we plan to remove as much of the surface sand as possible with the pumps and then dig the remaining distance using the steel piling. Since the area is all sand and on the side of a hill we hope to accomplish this while Henry is here; it depends on exact location and depth.

Hugh Lynn and I will arrange to meet Henry at the airport at 5:00 p.m., Thursday July 10 (standard time). If there is any change in this time please wire me or Hugh Lynn.

I wish you could come too.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R33. 7/15/52 EEC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts an Mr. Gross:

We certainly enjoyed meeting Henry and checking the White Hill location with him. We deeply appreciate the time, money, and effort spent by you both in this project with us. We have not lost interest at all by the failure to locate any specific chests. In fact we were amazed at how closely the on the spot checking coincided with both your map work and our information. I can see now how the fact that there were several caches made at different times by different individuals could have been confusing to anyone seeking information in this manner. Also I can see that much care must be taken in phrasing questions in order to get accurate answers. I believe we have learned a little at least with this experiment and I do not feel that failure in this instance precludes success in the future.

In some of the maps Henry checked while here he picked two spots exactly where we had information, though rod indicated these had been removed. Also he picked a couple of more places on which we have no definite information, though tale of pirate treasure about in these areas.

I was very much interested in Henry’s efforts at locating oil and minerals. These may prove easier to check and prove than isolated buried boxes or caches. We have some information (in fact a good bit) on oil deposits and minerals in the west. As soon as we have some one in a position to do some work on these it would be interesting to check the areas by map at least with Henry’s rod.

With reference to second paragraph above I am enclosing a large scale map of area where Henry indicated a buried chest of which we have no definite information. Since the rod indicated it was 72 ft. from ocean and only 5 1/2 feet deep could be checked by the metal locator we have. If, when you have the time, you can pin point it as close as possible on enclosed map, and get distances from any possible nearby landmarks I will try to get down that way and check area with metal locator.

I hope Henry carried away from Va. Beach as favorable impressions of us as we did of him and we look forward to seeing him again as well as meeting you. Our interest has increased rather than diminished. I would like to keep in touch with you and to hear how you make out on the locating of oil and minerals. Possibly a set of questions, similar to what you have for locating water, could be worked up for oil, minerals and pirate caches, that would be as successful as your water dowsing. Henry mentioned some people down in islands hunting stuff similar to ours; let us know how they made out.

Sincerely, Edgar E. Cayce

R34. 7/23/52 HLC’s letter:

Kenneth Roberts, Henry Gross Water Unlimited, Inc. Kennebunkport, Maine

Dear Mr. Roberts and Mr. Gross:

May I add just a word of appreciation to my brother’s letter of July 15.

It was a real pleasure to meet and work with you, Mr. Gross, and as I told my brother when I first met you, your whole manner reminded me so much of my father that it was almost like going back through the years.

Our interest was in no way diminished by our failure to locate a cache at White Hill. There is no doubt in my mind that some laws are involved which we simply do not understand. We will continue our search for a better understanding of these laws and I am sure that both of you will do the same.

I look forward to the opportunity of meeting with you, Mr. Roberts, and discussing this matter more fully at some later date and it will always be a pleasure to have either of you here in Virginia Beach whenever you are in this vicinity.

Sincerely yours, Hugh Lynn Cayce HLC:mb

cc- Mr. Edgar Evans Cayce, Oceana, Virginia

Background

Background

B1. See 3812-6.

Mentioned Entities

Virginia Beach, Photography (Atlantean), Hugh Lynn Cayce, Edgar Evans Cayce, Book of Job, Clairvoyance, Entity (Cayce Term), Thomas Sugrue, Ideal, Ohio, Purpose, Soul, A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment), California, Crucifixion, England, Florida, Free Will, Gertrude Cayce, Gladys Davis

Source: The Complete Edgar Cayce Readings, A.R.E. CD-ROM (2006). Reading 3812-7, ReadingID 11397.